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Super Mario All-Stars Wii review

A SNES classic returns... but is it worth the price?

Super Mario All Stars is a compilation game that celebrates the original NES Super Mario Bros. games by sticking them all on one cartridge.

At the time, it was a big deal because not only did it feature enhanced versions of Super Mario Bros., Super Mario Bros. 2, and Super Mario Bros. 3, it also included Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels, the Japanese sequel to Super Mario Bros. that hadn't been released in the UK at that point.

Each of the games were given improved graphics and sound so they seem more like 16-bit SNES games (like Super Mario World), and each now has save files so you don't have to play through them on one sitting any more. So not only are you getting four of the greatest platform games ever created on one disc - they look and sound better too.

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These remakes aren't perfect, but how important this is depends on how obsessive you are over tiny details. The physics in this version of Super Mario Bros. are different to those in the original game, and feel more like the floatier Super Mario Bros. 3 physics. Other little glitches and quirks have been removed, too (the infamous Minus World can no longer be found).

Regardless of this, there's still no denying the quality of these four fantastic games. You've got the incredible level design and charm of the original game, the nail-bitingly difficult gameplay of The Lost Levels, the quirky veggie-chucking action of Super Mario Bros. 2 and the epic scale of Super Mario Bros 3.

.There's one big issue, however, and that's the price. This is a SNES game costing around £20 after all, and nowadays, of course, you can get all four games (even The Lost Levels) on Virtual Console, so what's the point in getting this? Firstly, it seems that this is the only way you'll ever be able to get your hands on Super Mario All-Stars on your Wii. This disc-only release suggests to us it'll never be on Virtual Console: after all, SNES games cost 800 Points (about £7) on there so why would Nintendo risk annoying people who go out and spend three times that on this version?

It's also worth noting that as well as the game you're also getting an exclusive soundtrack CD with music spanning the entire Mario series from the original Super Mario Bros. all the way up to Super Mario Galaxy, as well as a nifty booklet covering 25 years of Mario gaming.

Let's face it, there's probably many Wii owners who don't actually use their Wii online and probably don't even know about the Virtual Console service. For these people, this is their first chance to play the Mario games they knew and loved 20 years ago. They're still as good as we remember them...

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This is an edited version of a review from the Christmas issue of Official Nintendo Magazine. For more in-depth analysis, screenshots and boxouts, buy the magazine here.

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  1. imbusydoctorwho Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 12:54

    I should be getting my copy 2moz.
    Can't wait to play it :D

    It will keep me busy till christmas.

  2. Scribblenuts Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 13:01

    Gettin it when my dad comes home.
    Looks good.Mabey could have had Super mario World too though

  3. Ghor Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 13:03

    The "enhanced graphics" look pretty similar to the original All-Stars.

  4. Scribblenuts Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 13:06

    The "enhanced graphics" look pretty similar to the original All-Stars.

    Not got the original,or the SNES either.but I've seen the original and the look the same

  5. samus_killer Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 13:08

    The "enhanced graphics" look pretty similar to the original All-Stars.

    That's because it is the original snes all-stars, unless you were trying to be funny then ha... ha.

  6. HighPlainDrifter Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 13:08

    If ONM claims the orginal Super Mario Bros. as the best game Nintendo ever created, why is this rated below other Nintendo titles? Especially with three other highly ranked titles, this technically should be 98-100%. I think this review proves that ONM confused 'most influential' or 'most important' with 'greatest'. Was Super Mario Bros. the most important and/or influential Nintendo game? Defintely the most important and extremely influential. Was it the greatest game at the time? It would be a hard case to argue against that. But greatest of all time? Sorry, Super Mario Bros. has not only been outdone by the series' later games, but also other games like numerous Zeldas and Metroids as well as modern day classics like Team Ico's two games and Okami.

  7. imbusydoctorwho Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 13:18

    Question please answer:
    Is the game in full screen(16:9) or small screen(4:9)?

    Please answer.

  8. slangman Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 13:21

    Does this run in 60Hz or 50Hz? Can anybody confirm?

  9. random_guy_14 Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 13:31

    ONM's biased reviews strike again!

    Seriously, this game deserves 50% for effort. Great, it's got the best Mario games on it, but it's also an incredibly lazy port that's lacking Super Mario World (which is even better than those games). The soundtrack is also lacking in a wider range of tunes that would truly make this essential, as well as the package missing a lot of things that could have made this better. This game is a shameful way of celebrating the plumber's 25th Anniversary. Nintendo should hang their heads in shame.

    Oh, and it's in 50Hz.

  10. KinGamer Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 13:34

    Does this run in 60Hz or 50Hz? Can anybody confirm?


    50Hz only for us Europeans, I'm afraid.

    Source

    I'm really on the fence about this. You could argue that 50Hz will be what us PAL gamers have played with during the SNES era, and thus the experience will be more symmetrical. On the other hand, we're getting an inferior product, pure and simple. Whether the game's frame rate matters much to you is what counts here.

    I'm having a hard time justifying the expenditure of £20 on a 50Hz game with a scarce CD, fancy packaging and a somewhat decent-looking history booklet.

  11. mandlecreed Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 13:43

    They could have done so much more with this but chose not to.

    If it had the following -

    In-game commentary (that would be awesome, Shigsy talking as you're playing XD), a more in depth booklet, interview videos, perhaps even playable test roms that didn't quite make it in to the final products and a lot more of the music from the series -

    then I would buy it.

    But as it stands, I have all the games at least twice or even three or four times over.

    A pretty box, a few tunes and a small booklet does not a 25th Anniversary celebration of the most famous VG character in history make. For me.

  12. slangman Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 13:56


    Oh, and it's in 50Hz.

    I see. If thats the case then why isn't that mentioned in the review? It seems the reviewer gave the game 90% because it has the title "Super Mario All Stars".

    Sure it was like that back in the day, but this is 2010 and people don't want to play a slower game with borders anymore.

    It may also be argued it's in 50Hz for nostalgic reasons, but no that's not an excuse when Sega's VC hanabi titles are forced into 50Hz.

    Super Mario all Stars is a decent game, but it is NOT worth £20 for a lazy, slap dash 50Hz port.

    I am not paying £20 for a lazy port with a tacky booklet and a CD.

  13. dm_1782 Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 14:00

    I dont see how £20 pounds is too much considering buying them all on the VC would cost you around the same plus youre also getting little extras like the music cd and booklet all in a nifty package. Just got mine and I love it. :D

  14. imbusydoctorwho Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 14:05

    Does anyone think this is a rip-off

  15. ChrisONM Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 14:12

    The "enhanced graphics" look pretty similar to the original All-Stars.


    Enhanced from the NES versions.

  16. omegoku Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 14:44

    Sorry nintendo, but this is lazy.

    Would have been much better to see the games updated to New Super Mario Bros. Wii level, and maybe once you clear a game, its original is unlocked?
    There is easily enough room for all that on a DVD.
    The lack of Super Mario World is also pretty annoying.

    The CD it comes with is very disappointing, 25 years of music squashed into 10 songs? Again, lazy.

    Booklet might be nice, but i can live without it. Certainly not worth 20 pound.

    This could have been the must buy game of the year. A glorious retelling of Mario's classic adventures, instead we get an expensive SNES port.

  17. capmanchris Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 14:46

    Should i find this on ebay for my orignal snes or just get on wii?

  18. random_guy_14 Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 14:47

    The "enhanced graphics" look pretty similar to the original All-Stars.


    Enhanced from the NES versions.

    ... I don't think you're getting the point. All-Stars was enhanced from the NES versions. The Wii version does not make the same sort of level of enhancement, in fact, it makes no enhancements at all. I could just download the SNES version (NSTC) and play it, and, hilariously enough, it would be in a better quality than the one we are getting.

    It is Mario's 25th Anniversary. We could have expected Nintendo to given us the version of All-Stars that came with Super Mario World at least, or even given us Yoshi's Island as well, and then updated them all so they have NSMB-quality visuals. Maybe even the option to play the original NES versions. Do we? No. We get this lazy port that they would have got away with if it were released on the Virtual Console rather than a Wii game.

    It's embarassing, especially when you consider that SEGA are apparently enhancing/updating levels of classic Sonic games for the hedgehog's 20th Anniversary. Seriously, even if it's just the best levels enhanced for a modern release, it already sounds to be a better way of celebrating an anniversary.

  19. okamiwolf21 Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 15:16

    i agree with most of the people above, they could've at least enchanced the graphics :roll:

  20. Avalanche2114 Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 15:27

    I agree that they could of done more and better but I don't think it could be possible for them to update it to New Super Mario Bros Wii Graphics because of amount of space on the disk.

    It doesn't really matter to me anyway because I like the SNES graphics. :)

  21. random_guy_14 Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 15:40

    I agree that they could of done more and better but I don't think it could be possible for them to update it to New Super Mario Bros Wii Graphics because of amount of space on the disk.

    It doesn't really matter to me anyway because I like the SNES graphics. :)

    Surpisingly enough, it is possible, and if they did that, it would actually warrant using a disc, because Super Mario All-Stars takes up a tiny amount of space. And by 'tiny amount', I mean there's so much free space left over on the disc it's a joke.

  22. Gameking53 Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 16:06

    A real disappointment. I'm not all fussed about the lack of 60Hz, it's just the fact that Nintendo had the audacity to dump a SNES game on a Wii disc and market it as a 25th Anniversary celebration stuns me.

    I'll spend my £20 on something better, thanks.

  23. MrChewtoy Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 16:23

    Why do people complain about ONM being biased. Obviosuly you'd use somebody who enjoys Mario to review the game, rather than somebody who hates him. And I don't think anyone at ONM is sitting on the fence over whether they like him or not.

    But with DKCR on the same day, this'll either be a Chrimbo or b day present.

  24. random_guy_14 Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 16:31

    Why do people complain about ONM being biased. Obviosuly you'd use somebody who enjoys Mario to review the game, rather than somebody who hates him. And I don't think anyone at ONM is sitting on the fence over whether they like him or not.

    But with DKCR on the same day, this'll either be a Chrimbo or b day present.

    Thing is, most people who reviewed SMA for Wii love/like Mario, yet they still gave this game average scores. They also reviewed the box in general rather than just the games, and even then, they criticised that it is quite lazy.

  25. ARWING64 Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 16:39

    ONM's biased reviews strike again!

    Seriously, this game deserves 50% for effort. Great, it's got the best Mario games on it, but it's also an incredibly lazy port that's lacking Super Mario World (which is even better than those games). The soundtrack is also lacking in a wider range of tunes that would truly make this essential, as well as the package missing a lot of things that could have made this better. This game is a shameful way of celebrating the plumber's 25th Anniversary. Nintendo should hang their heads in shame.


    So true. SHAME ON NINTENDO!! ONM are very biased. Ngamer gave this 55% and rightly so. Its a lazy attempt to grab money from the fans and its happening now. The original mario bros may have been a revolution but its been outdone by newer games. Miyamoto was right in saying that mario world is the best mario game of all time.

  26. GoombaInDisguise Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 17:06

    They re-release the 1st 3 Games. Fair enough.

    But I was honestly expecting them to upgrade the Graphics and such. They really are extremely Dated. I for one would've bought this if they'd used NSMBW Graphics.

    No Super Mario World? Shameful. They've deprived alot of Wii owners who don't go online the best Mario game of all time.

    This is what we get after 25 Years of legendary games?

    Lazy. 70% at the most.

  27. Splinter435 Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 17:07

    I'll buy it because I've only played 2.

  28. andmaggie Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 17:17

    Getting this for Christmas.
    Not so sure about it, though.

  29. Azuwoy Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 17:37

    I fail to see the point of this virtually identical re-release when Virtual Console exists.

  30. Yoshifan007 Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 17:52

    ONM's biased reviews strike again!

    Seriously, this game deserves 50% for effort. Great, it's got the best Mario games on it, but it's also an incredibly lazy port that's lacking Super Mario World (which is even better than those games). The soundtrack is also lacking in a wider range of tunes that would truly make this essential, as well as the package missing a lot of things that could have made this better. This game is a shameful way of celebrating the plumber's 25th Anniversary. Nintendo should hang their heads in shame.


    So true. SHAME ON NINTENDO!! ONM are very biased. Ngamer gave this 55% and rightly so. Its a lazy attempt to grab money from the fans and its happening now. The original mario bros may have been a revolution but its been outdone by newer games. Miyamoto was right in saying that mario world is the best mario game of all time.

    ALL THIS. RIP-OFF!

    Extremely Disappoint.

  31. SoulSilver IV Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 18:19

    Well, I was going to say I was going to get this tomorrow, but right now I'm scared I might be brought down by all the rage...

  32. Hammer Bro. Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 18:32

    90%?

    Are you serious?

    It doesn't even have Super Mario World. It's a downgraded version of the game on to a console several generations ahead. 90% is a joke. When I then think about the games that have only gotten scores somewhere in the 80's, I just can't believe you guys actually gave this a gold award.

    Usually I don't totally believe in the "ONM bias" thing, but seriously, I find it hard not to think that serious bias comes into play here.

  33. FiveThirteen Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 18:54

    Heres my idea for a 25th anniversary game:

    A Super Mario Bros. remake with new super mario bros wii style graphics and redone music (similar to some of the renditions in super smash bros series.) Add in the lost levels content, and maybe 2 completely new worlds. The original game is also included on the disc, along with the lost levels (Either that or the game allows you to download them for free from the virtual console).

    Because it's the anniversary of super mario bros itself, I don't think it's necessary to include super mario bros 2 and 3, therefore keeping costs down.

    So what do you guys think? I know this will probably never happen in reality, but what do think the extras in the box should be? (Music CDs, Art books, etc.)

  34. ChrisONM Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 18:55

    I really don't understand the complaints here.

    If you don't want the game and think it's a rip-off, then simply don't buy it. But in my opinion, is £20 for four of the best Mario games ever worth it? Absolutely.

    Some people want to criticise the game because of what it doesn't have, rather than what it does have. If you're one of those people, you're perfectly welcome to do so, but please don't call me biased for giving Super Mario Bros, Super Mario Bros 2, Super Mario Bros 3 and Super Mario Bros: The Lost Levels a total of 90%. If anything, it's underscored.

  35. 142520452213 Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 18:57

    I actually agree that the game should have got more, the games when they were in their NES form on their own got higher than 90%. And there's free content!

  36. hulkbuster Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 19:01

    chrisONM did you buy your copy of ALL STARS or did you get it free from NINTENDO :?: .

  37. 142520452213 Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 19:06

    chrisONM did you buy your copy of ALL STARS or did you get it free from NINTENDO :?: .

    He works for Nintendo, indirectly (through Future). They get sent them, I assume.

  38. Redfish20 Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 19:12

    Super Mario Bros- 500 wii points (£5)
    Super Mario Bros2- 500 wii points (£5)
    Super Mario Bros lost levels- 500 wii points (£5)
    Super Mario Bros3- 500 wii points (£5)
    £5+£5+£5+£5=£20

    you can check my maths if you like but I'm pretty sure that comes to the same price as Mario Allstars. Therefore, even if the CD's only worth a penny it's not exactly overpriced. That and the fact it'll probably be collectable within a decade or 2.

  39. Mastearl Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 19:12

    hey, at least its better than the Pacman 30th aniversary game.

    I would get it but i have the original SMAS on SNES anyway so there would be absolutely no point

  40. mario_the_dog Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 19:35

    I genuinely have this game on the SNES. it doesn't have sound though. :(

  41. Hammer Bro. Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 19:35

    I really don't understand the complaints here.

    If you don't want the game and think it's a rip-off, then simply don't buy it. But in my opinion, is £20 for four of the best Mario games ever worth it? Absolutely.

    Some people want to criticise the game because of what it doesn't have, rather than what it does have. If you're one of those people, you're perfectly welcome to do so, but please don't call me biased for giving Super Mario Bros, Super Mario Bros 2, Super Mario Bros 3 and Super Mario Bros: The Lost Levels a total of 90%. If anything, it's underscored.

    It's the laziness from Nintendo that annoys me. They're directly porting a game, not even including Super Mario World. They could have put Super Mario World, Land and 64 on the disc easily I'd say. If what the NGamer review says is correct, the copyright notice on the title screen even still says 1993. That's why I don't think it deserves such a high score. I did over-react a bit though, I must say. I was just kind of shocked. xD

  42. capmanchris Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 20:02

    I really don't understand the complaints here.

    If you don't want the game and think it's a rip-off, then simply don't buy it. But in my opinion, is £20 for four of the best Mario games ever worth it? Absolutely.

    Some people want to criticise the game because of what it doesn't have, rather than what it does have. If you're one of those people, you're perfectly welcome to do so, but please don't call me biased for giving Super Mario Bros, Super Mario Bros 2, Super Mario Bros 3 and Super Mario Bros: The Lost Levels a total of 90%. If anything, it's underscored.

    I agree with Chris here. if you add up the price of buying all 4 of these games separately on the wii store it comes up to roughly the same price maybe more (I haven't checked but i guess its around that mark). I'm only not getting it as i would rather get this for the original snes and play it the way it was meant to be played.

    And also it was only announced a few months ago and probably didn't have a big budget to work with, and it's real purpose is to let those who love mario experience the one's they missed out on and obviously wasn't aimed to top the #1 spot on the charts.

  43. piccadillio Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 20:06

    You've really let yourself down with that review, Chris. There's no way a straight port of a 17 year old SNES game, a 10 track CD and a pretty red box is worthy of 25 years of Mario. It's an insult to the brand as well as the fans. The Demon's Souls Black Phantom edition had more content, and that's a new IP, not the celebration of the most recognisable icon in gaming.

    If you want to celebrate Mario, play Galaxy 2 again. Don't buy this sorry excuse for a collector's item.

  44. piccadillio Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 20:10

    And also it was only announced a few months ago and probably didn't have a big budget to work with, and it's real purpose is to let those who love mario experience the one's they missed out on and obviously wasn't aimed to top the #1 spot on the charts.

    But it's not aimed at the people who haven't played those games before. It's a collector's edition with a soundtrack CD. Find me a casual gamer that will play that CD. It's supposed to be aimed at Mario fans, but it is very poorly judged.

  45. Zenuous Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 20:55

    Hmmm, I dunno.

    I mean sure, they are good Mario games and all, but it's the same old deal. Playing the same games over accouple of times makes it lose it's charm.

    Plus, this game feels more suited for the DS. Include Super Mario World 1 and 2 and it'd be the perfect portable platformer.

  46. IfritXVII Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 21:29

    The truth is that Nintendo know it can get away with over-charging for a game that's had ZERO effort put into it. Why put it on the VC for £5.80 when you can slap it on a Wii disc and up the price x4? Compare All-Stars Wii to Sonic Mega Collection and you'll see exactly how pathetic Nintendo's attempt to cash-in is.

    The "enhanced graphics" look pretty similar to the original All-Stars.


    Enhanced from the NES versions.


    Like I said in the other thread, you need to change that as it sounds like you mean enhanced from the SNES version of the game and it may mislead some into thinking there are improvements made from SNES to Wii.

    Super Mario Bros- 500 wii points (£5)
    Super Mario Bros2- 500 wii points (£5)
    Super Mario Bros lost levels- 500 wii points (£5)
    Super Mario Bros3- 500 wii points (£5)
    £5+£5+£5+£5=£20


    Super Mario Bros - 500 wii points (£3.50)
    Super Mario Bros 2 - 500 wii points (£3.50)
    Super Mario Bros Lost Levels - 600 wii points (£4.20)
    Super Mario Bros 3 - 500 wii points (£3.50)

    = £14.70

  47. piccadillio Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 21:35

    The "enhanced graphics" look pretty similar to the original All-Stars.


    Enhanced from the NES versions.


    Like I said in the other thread, you need to change that as it sounds like you mean enhanced from the SNES version of the game and it may mislead some into thinking there are improvements made from SNES to Wii.

    It's meant to be misleading.

  48. sciqueen Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 21:39

    I agree that £20 is a good price for those four games but I can understand why long-time fans are disappointed because they were expecting much more from a collection that is supposed to celebrate 25 years of Mario.

    Personally, this isn't a collection I would run out and buy. I'll just dig out the trusty SNES instead!

  49. IfritXVII Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 21:45

    I agree that £20 is a good price for those four games but I can understand why long-time fans are disappointed because they were expecting much more from a collection that is supposed to celebrate 25 years of Mario.

    Personally, this isn't a collection I would run out and buy. I'll just dig out the trusty SNES instead!


    £20 would be fine had some actual work been put into it. Try playing this on a fairly big HDTV and you're not gonna like what you see. Nintendo should have enhanced the games to look great on today's TVs.

    - Recreate the menus in 480p
    - Add some cool side borders since the games aren't widescreen (look at Sega Mega Drive Collection for an example)
    - Include unlockable games like Donkey Kong etc.
    - Have unlockables like trailers, music, art, videos etc

    So much potential yet so little actually done. As it is (being a Wii retail budget release), the game simply isn't worth more than £10.

    Some may say 'so it hasn't got those, the games are still great'. Yes the games are great, but are presented in a terrible way that is insulting to the franchise and spits all over Nintendo's very own Seal of Quality. What the collection does have is a SNES ROM on a Wii disc in 2010 which is laughable.

  50. lightning900 Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 22:09

    They should have also put in new super mario bros. wii style versions of all the games to appeal to modern gamers, maybe even with the co-op mode.

  51. sivlock Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 22:24

    Mario All Stars on the SNES got rated 100% in an old Nintendo mag called Total I think it was. Can't remember which year exactly I got this for xmas along with Street Fighter 2 Turbo in a limited Edition tin :D

  52. jimbob555 Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 22:45

    Why did you guys use a picture of super mario world when it doesn't even feature in it?

  53. imbusydoctorwho Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 22:47

    I have £18.01 credit at gamestation so I'll only have to pay £5 or 6 quid.

  54. Yoshifan007 Thursday 2nd Dec 2010 at 22:58

    All 4 of the mario games there add up to about 25 euros on VC.
    Its 40 for the game.
    Nintendo, its a port of a collection of games that were updatea and its just re-released. Lazy. Pure lazinees. from 17 years ago.

  55. Eragon Firesword Friday 3rd Dec 2010 at 00:06

    I can understand the point you're making, ONM. Personally, I was put off by the fact that three of the four games I'd already played in some form or another, and buying SMB2:LL would be a lot cheaper than a £20 package. However, I read through the review, and I am a real sucker for soundtracks. Love my music. The real dilemma, then, is this: does my pocket money go on that Layton game that I've been meaning to buy, or this? Hmm... :?

  56. piccadillio Friday 3rd Dec 2010 at 00:11

    Here's what I posted in the Wii forum:

    What would have been better:
    A disc with Super Mario All-Stars + World
    A soundtrack CD or two.
    A DVD with a documentary about the legacy and the cultural impact of Mario and some 'making of' featurettes. I'm thinking more Lord of the Rings extended edition than just a ten minute thing. Or something like the fantastic documentary that came with the Star Wars trilogy when it hit DVD.
    An art book featuring concept, final and unused designs. Showing how the character has evolved.

    That should be simple. The Black Phantom edition of Demon's Souls had an art book and a soundtrack CD and guide and that's a brand new IP. This would be a bog-standard collector's edition on any other platform, and that's not good enough for 25 years of Mario. They've let themselves down as much as the fans.

  57. SoulSilver IV Friday 3rd Dec 2010 at 00:11

    chrisONM did you buy your copy of ALL STARS or did you get it free from NINTENDO :?: .

    If I remember correctly, ONM tend to get review code versions of the game sent to them. I think it's to ensure it can only be played on their review code console, and not some bog-standard Wii from off the shelf in Game. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

    I'm going to add some positivity into the discussion here, by saying that I think it will be worth £20 because I will get my enjoyment out of it. Plus, I am a sucker for video game soundtracks, so the audio CD is a bonus. Plus it's a collectible, and I like collectibles.

  58. sporkhead Friday 3rd Dec 2010 at 03:23

    I really don't understand the complaints here.

    If you don't want the game and think it's a rip-off, then simply don't buy it. But in my opinion, is £20 for four of the best Mario games ever worth it? Absolutely.

    Some people want to criticise the game because of what it doesn't have, rather than what it does have. If you're one of those people, you're perfectly welcome to do so, but please don't call me biased for giving Super Mario Bros, Super Mario Bros 2, Super Mario Bros 3 and Super Mario Bros: The Lost Levels a total of 90%. If anything, it's underscored.

    You're making the assumption that the quality of the titles is very important in the review of a collection of games everyone knows are masterpieces (well, 2 of them anyway) and have been around for years. Since this was the piece of software produced to celebrate Mario's 25th anniversary, presentation plays a much higher part in this.

    It's not the score that is the issue anyway with the ONM review, it's the fact you've failed to mention (or maybe you're not allowed to) the sheer laziness of Nintendo of Europe in terms of the effort of this release.

    Again, I think GameCentral's review is above and beyond the "Official" review.

    http://www.metro.co.uk/tech/games/84893 ... -the-party

    I'll post some key quotes from that GameCentral review that are issues ONM have ignored in their review:

    "The back of the box isn't lying when it says nothing else has changed though. Even the title screen and menu system is exactly the same as it was 17 years ago - including references to the SNES controller. What that means for anyone in Europe is that, like almost all SNES releases on the Virtual Console, the game only runs in 50Hz mode. Like the Virtual Console games the horizontal borders common to all European console games of the era have been considerably reduced in size, but the game still runs slower than the Japanese and American versions."

    "This is an act of sheer laziness on the part of Nintendo of Europe"

    "a SNES title on the Virtual Console costs £5.60 and here you're being asked to pay almost five times as much for no obvious reason."

    "Suffice to say this is not worth an extra £19.40, especially as we've had better Nintendo soundtrack CDs free off the front of a magazine."

    The RRP for this game is £24.99 as listed by retailers, if anyone is wondering about the £19.40 in that last quote.

    All 4 of the mario games there add up to about 25 euros on VC.
    Its 40 for the game.
    Nintendo, its a port of a collection of games that were updatea and its just re-released. Lazy. Pure lazinees. from 17 years ago.

    Remember that this is a rerelease of a SNES game on a Wii disc, which a regular SNES game in itself just under £6 on the virtual console.

  59. vinnyboiler Friday 3rd Dec 2010 at 07:22

    Nintendo went too far with this. Super Mario Allstars was a very special game to me. It was my first ever video game. I still play it everyday and was tempted to play this. But this game is a REALLY LAZY PORT OF MY FAVORITE GAME MADE FOR A CHEAP CASH IN.
    Why Nintendo would you spit on my all time loved video games for money. I just don't understand it :cry:

  60. luke layton Friday 3rd Dec 2010 at 08:35

    £20?
    me thinks that's a bargain

  61. sciqueen Friday 3rd Dec 2010 at 08:58

    I agree that £20 is a good price for those four games but I can understand why long-time fans are disappointed because they were expecting much more from a collection that is supposed to celebrate 25 years of Mario.

    Personally, this isn't a collection I would run out and buy. I'll just dig out the trusty SNES instead!


    £20 would be fine had some actual work been put into it. Try playing this on a fairly big HDTV and you're not gonna like what you see. Nintendo should have enhanced the games to look great on today's TVs.

    - Recreate the menus in 480p
    - Add some cool side borders since the games aren't widescreen (look at Sega Mega Drive Collection for an example)
    - Include unlockable games like Donkey Kong etc.
    - Have unlockables like trailers, music, art, videos etc

    So much potential yet so little actually done. As it is (being a Wii retail budget release), the game simply isn't worth more than £10.

    Some may say 'so it hasn't got those, the games are still great'. Yes the games are great, but are presented in a terrible way that is insulting to the franchise and spits all over Nintendo's very own Seal of Quality. What the collection does have is a SNES ROM on a Wii disc in 2010 which is laughable.

    I do agree with you, that's why I'm going to save my money and play the SNES version! ;) I think I mentioned Sonic Mega Collection but I must have deleted it.

    It also makes me think of The Wind Waker, a game in full 3D yet you could choose to play 50Hz or 60Hz but this Wii collection doesn't have that option! So yes, I will stick with my good old SNES!

    Why is there a Super Mario World picture in the review? Is it some sort of insult from the magazine...?

  62. Pappi Friday 3rd Dec 2010 at 10:08

    Wish they'd do a Zelda one instead, that would far cooler.

  63. MarioMagic Friday 3rd Dec 2010 at 10:10

    Iv'e already got the SNES version and I have no interest in buying a booklet and a CD for £20.
    Is anyone going to put the CD on thier Ipod?

  64. JSupremoJ Friday 3rd Dec 2010 at 10:32

    Is this not an incredibly lazy port of a far cheaper Virtual Console game? We get that you have to like Mario, but awarding 90% to lazily presented, eye-sore-inducing games that are cheaper elsewhere is stupid.

  65. ChrisONM Friday 3rd Dec 2010 at 11:19

    chrisONM did you buy your copy of ALL STARS or did you get it free from NINTENDO :?: .


    We get sent a review copy but it only plays on special debug Wiis so I've also ordered a copy for myself from play.com (£17.99).

  66. tomonm Friday 3rd Dec 2010 at 11:52

    As someone who buys old man's music magazines like Mojo or Uncut, I can safely say that you never see them marking down a classic album when it's re-released.

    Whether you decide to buy it or not is up to you but for those who have never played the games before, this is essential and that's why we've given it 90%

    If it had a DVD with it and all that extra stuff you mentioned it probably would have received a higher score.

    To be honest, it's very difficult to see how we could win here. Give it 50% as some people seem to be suggesting and we'd have been accused of being inconsistent as we've given all four platformers very high scores in the past.

  67. slangman Friday 3rd Dec 2010 at 12:27

    I really don't understand the complaints here.

    If you don't want the game and think it's a rip-off, then simply don't buy it. But in my opinion, is £20 for four of the best Mario games ever worth it? Absolutely.

    Some people want to criticise the game because of what it doesn't have, rather than what it does have. If you're one of those people, you're perfectly welcome to do so, but please don't call me biased for giving Super Mario Bros, Super Mario Bros 2, Super Mario Bros 3 and Super Mario Bros: The Lost Levels a total of 90%. If anything, it's underscored.

    The game itself is fine. However the quality of the game is not the issue here. £20 is expensive for a simple SNES port. The music track list should have been far more extensive, with more music tracks, not a measly 20.

    There are no extra features (e.g. achievements) to make this stand out more.

    The review should have noted that the PAL version doesn't include a 60Hz option. In this day and age us PAL gamers shouldn't have to put up with lazy poor 50Hz conversions like this one.

    So yeah this game doesn't deserve 90%, because it’s a lazy re-hash released by Nintendo, to cash on the popularity of Mario’s 25th Anniversary. It doesn’t matter if this is a Nintendo game, a lazy port is a lazy port.

    ONM marked down quite a few games like Scarface for been lazy who why not this one?

  68. tinglesuckseggs Friday 3rd Dec 2010 at 12:32

    I would probably pick this up, I see it more of celebrating where it all started on the old NES with the classics and what made him a icon that he is.

    This works for me, as my NES was given away a long time ago and i do miss the games, I would of like super mario world in it, but my snes still is with me and got it for that :)

    Still thinks its pretty good for those who have never heard of them and they get to experience them for the first time and for those who been with mario since the beginning and wanted more...its like any birthday; some birthdays you get awesome presents, the next not so great lol

    For me its a nice little trip down memory lane

  69. pchilton2002 Friday 3rd Dec 2010 at 13:05

    As someone who buys old man's music magazines like Mojo or Uncut, I can safely say that you never see them marking down a classic album when it's re-released.

    Sorry, but are albums re-released after 17 years in exactly the same form? Or are they re-mastered with better sound quality etc?

  70. bobtheger1873 Friday 3rd Dec 2010 at 13:19

    It's good and all but I don't get the feel of it anymore because of the "updated" graphics. I think the price is cheaper than I thought it would be and it's great that they have put in the "Lost Levels," can't wait to try them.
    That's my verdict.

  71. piccadillio Friday 3rd Dec 2010 at 13:30

    I get where ONM are coming from, actually. This review isn't aimed at people who have played the original games, in fact in many ways the entire magazine is aimed at people for whom the Wii is their first Nintendo console. So with that in mind, they've reviewed the games rather than the package. For people who have been playing Mario games for decades, the review of the games is superfluous because we know the quality of the games, and are therefore only concerned with the aspects that are supposed to have made this a 25th anniversary celebration. It's severely lacking in that respect. Where this review does down is the way it mentions the graphical enchancements as if they are new, while not mentioning the complete lack of enchancement from the SNES versions. That's pretty low.

    I think Nintendo have got themselves stuck between catering for the new gamers and the long-time fans with this release. As with NSMB: Wii last year, the end result is neither here nor there. If it is just a re-release so that younger gamers can play the games, put it on virtual console. If it's a collector's edition, come up with some features that are worth 25 years of Mario.

    As someone who buys old man's music magazines like Mojo or Uncut, I can safely say that you never see them marking down a classic album when it's re-released.

    But if a classic album was re-released with a similar level of effort that Nintendo have shown here, it would be the same audio quality as its original release, with no extra tracks. That doesn't often happen, if at all. Take the Pavement re-releases, for example. They have close to 40 tracks on each, with a big old book about each album, all remastered, for the same RRP as a new CD.

  72. ChrisONM Friday 3rd Dec 2010 at 14:39

    Take the Pavement re-releases, for example. They have close to 40 tracks on each, with a big old book about each album, all remastered, for the same RRP as a new CD.


    And what you've got here is the same game with a book and a soundtrack CD, for half the RRP of a new game. it's not that bad.

    And the booklet is actually really good, it's not just some throwaway leaflet that tells you things you already know.

  73. Bass X Friday 3rd Dec 2010 at 15:17

    This isn't a proper collection or remake in the usual sense of the words. Its a Virtual Console game at heart. No more, no less. Its just being sold at retail instead. Pricing aside, should it have had more content? Thats like complaining that SNES Super Mario Kart on the VC has flat graphics, only has eight characters, doesn't have a four player mode and can't go online.

    The only complaint here should be that its expensive for a game that was originally released on the SNES. Nintendo clearly thought that four NES games for 800 points was too low so they refused to let it come to VC. Understandable, from Nintendo's point of view. I still maintain that £20 is the most I'd pay for this, but nobody should pay more for it. I know of collections on the Mega Drive that have six MD games in one, needless to say that won't be coming to the VC anytime either.

  74. piccadillio Friday 3rd Dec 2010 at 16:04

    Take the Pavement re-releases, for example. They have close to 40 tracks on each, with a big old book about each album, all remastered, for the same RRP as a new CD.


    And what you've got here is the same game with a book and a soundtrack CD, for half the RRP of a new game. it's not that bad.

    And the booklet is actually really good, it's not just some throwaway leaflet that tells you things you already know.

    Not that bad isn't really good enough for 25 years of Mario. They shouldn't have bothered.

  75. chocfang Friday 3rd Dec 2010 at 16:37

    It's EXACTLY the same! It even says 'Nintendo 1993' at the bottom! I wish Nintendo bothered a bit more. At least put world and the handheld ones and 64. I don't think it's THAT hard to put some ready made games into 1 disc that can handle up to around 5gb I think!

  76. Bass X Friday 3rd Dec 2010 at 16:43

    It's EXACTLY the same! It even says 'Nintendo 1993' at the bottom! I wish Nintendo bothered a bit more. At least put world and the handheld ones and 64. I don't think it's THAT hard to put some ready made games into 1 disc that can handle up to around 5gb I think!

    And which first party Wii or 3DS title do you want cancelled so that they can work on a new Mario All Stars instead?

    Also, pick up your Wii remote and imagine playing Mario World with it. What buttons would be the spin jump? Not A or B since they're on the left. Not shake either since you need precision spin jumping in some sections.
    And you can't expect people to go out and buy Classic Controllers either if they're not going to be downloading Virtual Console games.

  77. jonletsgo Friday 3rd Dec 2010 at 17:07

    DO WANT.

  78. random_guy_14 Friday 3rd Dec 2010 at 17:26

    I really don't understand the complaints here.

    If you don't want the game and think it's a rip-off, then simply don't buy it. But in my opinion, is £20 for four of the best Mario games ever worth it? Absolutely.

    Some people want to criticise the game because of what it doesn't have, rather than what it does have. If you're one of those people, you're perfectly welcome to do so, but please don't call me biased for giving Super Mario Bros, Super Mario Bros 2, Super Mario Bros 3 and Super Mario Bros: The Lost Levels a total of 90%. If anything, it's underscored.

    But what it does have isn't enough for a 25th Anniversary compilation. Great, it has Super Mario Bros 1-3 plus The Lost Levels.

    However, it's not the quality of the games we're complaining about, it's the quality of the compilation in general. 50Hz, while everyone else is getting the 60Hz? Only 10 songs, with the rest being sound effects? The game could have just simply been a Virtual Console release for half of the price or less? Nintendo did not bother whatsoever in making this package truly special? That's what bothers me.

    If it was released on Virtual Console, with the CD and artbook as a product on the Stars Catalogue, that would have been fine. But no, that's not the case: the fact is, we're expected to pay £20 for a collection I could just download for free, regardless of it being illegal, and then finding out that the quality of the ROM is better. Piccadillio is right, they shouldn't have bothered.

    Oh, and before you say, "Well don't buy it then," again, I did buy this, just because I don't own all the Super Mario Bros games, and quite frankly, I regret doing so, especially when that money could have gone towards an overall superior title, namely Donkey Kong Country Returns, or a points card, so I could buy the games on VC.

    Super Mario All-Stars Wii is a joke, and if you think that giving this game 90% is 'underscored' just because of the games rather than the overall package, you're an idiot.

  79. bloodandthunder Friday 3rd Dec 2010 at 17:47

    Its £13.99 at Sainsbury's. Get on it, quick!

    And yes, this package is just as awesome as when it was on the SNES.

  80. random_guy_14 Friday 3rd Dec 2010 at 17:50

    Its £13.99 at Sainsbury's. Get on it, quick!

    And yes, this package is just as awesome as when it was on the SNES.

    If we were talking about the SNES game, I would agree. However, we're talking about the Wii version, released almost 20 years later. And I wouldn't even pay a fiver for this. Sadly, I had no games to trade in, so I had to pay £20 for this. If you must get it, get it when the price drops to below £10-

    Oh wait, it's a Mario game. I forgot, those games rarely ever see a price drop.

  81. jobo Friday 3rd Dec 2010 at 17:53

    I have this on the snes so i'm not picking this up. But £20 i mean comeon, it's 4 nes games, which would cost £15 at most unless you have a snes or a nes in which it will be much cheaper.
    I loved the zelda collab game and Prime trilogy, but this is just redundant. I would have bought it if they put super mario world on it.

  82. super yoshifan Friday 3rd Dec 2010 at 18:27

    I really don't understand the complaints here.

    If you don't want the game and think it's a rip-off, then simply don't buy it. But in my opinion, is £20 for four of the best Mario games ever worth it? Absolutely.

    Some people want to criticise the game because of what it doesn't have, rather than what it does have. If you're one of those people, you're perfectly welcome to do so, but please don't call me biased for giving Super Mario Bros, Super Mario Bros 2, Super Mario Bros 3 and Super Mario Bros: The Lost Levels a total of 90%. If anything, it's underscored.

    But when you look at it, it is really just the same game as we got on the SNES 15 or so years ago. You could buy all these games for £15 on Virtual Console or Ninty could've released a VC version of the SNES for what, £6? You could argue that you're getting a book and a CD, but the CD is 10 tracks. I'm sorry 10? We've had 25 years of Mario and a hell load of games, we've had more tracks on a singal game. It's extremley lazy and really just seems a cashcow.

    This is what I would've liked to see.
    Super Mario Bros
    Super Mario Bros 2
    Super Mario Bros 3
    Super Mario Bros: The Lost Levels
    Super Mario World
    Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
    Improved Graphics to match NSMB: Wii
    Improved CD with at least 5 from each major Mario game and a select from spin-offs
    The book, maybe with a couple additions, i.e. character profiles.
    Donkey Kong, Donkey Kong 2, Donkey Kong 3 & Mario Bros as unlockables (possibly)

    I'd happily pay £20-£30 for this.

  83. Yoshifan007 Friday 3rd Dec 2010 at 18:54

    Wish they'd do a Zelda one instead, that would far cooler.

    Look up "Zelda Collectors Edition" for the gamecube from 2003. Actually, it better than this game. And it wasnt even an anniversary! Zelda 1, Zelda 2, Ocarina and Maoras Mask. Also it had this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS3n6yGSVwI , A 20-minute Wind Waker demo and this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9nb9ktl ... re=related

    The vids might only be 1 or 2 minutes long. But they are better than nothing!

  84. piccadillio Friday 3rd Dec 2010 at 19:49

    Improved graphics is a bad idea, especially to match NSMB. The games are great, they don't need changes. They would benefit from a bit of a touch-up. Sharpen up the menus and the sprites, make sure it can run on modern TVs well. But NSMB hasn't got any personality, and making those games look like NSMB would highlight just how unoriginal NSMB is!

    It isn't the games that are the problem, it's the lack of accompanying material for fans. The disc has approximately 3.5gb of free space. That's a lot of room for videos. Even if they took DVD special features as a model it would have been more like a big deal. An exclusive interview with Miyamoto and the rest of the teams would have been great. The best thing about it is the packaging, and that sucks. We can download the games, we can download the a lot more music than is included on that disc. If all Nintendo can offer us as an incentive is a pretty red box and a clear conscience, screw that.

  85. choppaman Friday 3rd Dec 2010 at 19:52

    ONM aren't biased.

    they're just scared of offending their fans. not really worked that well has it?

  86. piccadillio Friday 3rd Dec 2010 at 19:59

    ONM aren't biased.

    they're just scared of offending their fans. not really worked that well has it?

    I know they will deny it until they're blue in the face, but if Nintendo didn't like something they had published, it could risk Future's hold on the Official branding which in turn would directly affect their jobs. Even if it isn't intentional, it has to be something that is in the back of their minds, and it's totally understandable. Especially when you're doing a job you love. They are all great journalists, but working for a publication with the Nintendo logo means that ultimately they are part of Nintendo's marketing. You can guarantee that Nintendo's marketing execs keep an eye on the magazine.

    It shouldn't be a reason to not buy the magazine, because you'll get a lot of information you won't find in other magazines and a lot of exclusives. Plus who reads one review these days anyway? We have access to hundreds of opinions, so only reading one would be stupid.

  87. Redfish20 Friday 3rd Dec 2010 at 20:16

    The truth is that Nintendo know it can get away with over-charging for a game that's had ZERO effort put into it. Why put it on the VC for £5.80 when you can slap it on a Wii disc and up the price x4? Compare All-Stars Wii to Sonic Mega Collection and you'll see exactly how pathetic Nintendo's attempt to cash-in is.

    The "enhanced graphics" look pretty similar to the original All-Stars.


    Enhanced from the NES versions.


    Like I said in the other thread, you need to change that as it sounds like you mean enhanced from the SNES version of the game and it may mislead some into thinking there are improvements made from SNES to Wii.

    Super Mario Bros- 500 wii points (£5)
    Super Mario Bros2- 500 wii points (£5)
    Super Mario Bros lost levels- 500 wii points (£5)
    Super Mario Bros3- 500 wii points (£5)
    £5+£5+£5+£5=£20


    Super Mario Bros - 500 wii points (£3.50)
    Super Mario Bros 2 - 500 wii points (£3.50)
    Super Mario Bros Lost Levels - 600 wii points (£4.20)
    Super Mario Bros 3 - 500 wii points (£3.50)

    = £14.70

    What? where are you getting your wii points from cause I'm being ripped off :(

  88. sivlock Friday 3rd Dec 2010 at 20:47

    Wish they'd do a Zelda one instead, that would far cooler.

    They have Zelda collectors disk which has a handful of decent Zelda games came out for the Gamecube, check Ebay definitely worth owning.

  89. Bass X Friday 3rd Dec 2010 at 21:04

    redfish, the wii shop sells 1000 points for £7. just use a debit card like a Visa Electron.

  90. thekwlman11 Friday 3rd Dec 2010 at 21:58

    A huge disappointment. I already have the original SNES SMAS. Why do I want a bad port of it?

    Super Mario Bros- 500 wii points (£5)
    Super Mario Bros2- 500 wii points (£5)
    Super Mario Bros lost levels- 500 wii points (£5)
    Super Mario Bros3- 500 wii points (£5)
    £5+£5+£5+£5=£20

    you can check my maths if you like but I'm pretty sure that comes to the same price as Mario Allstars. Therefore, even if the CD's only worth a penny it's not exactly overpriced. That and the fact it'll probably be collectable within a decade or 2.


    £5 for 500 points?! Where've you been buying your Wii points? £7 for 1000, so 3.50 for 500 points

    Super Mario Bros - 500 Wii points (£3.50)
    Super Mario Bros 2 - 500 wii points (£3.50)
    Super Mario Bros: The Lost Levels - 500 wii points (£3.50)
    Super Mario Bros 3 - 500 wii points (£3.50)

    £3.50+£3.50+£3.50+£3.50=14

  91. sporkhead Friday 3rd Dec 2010 at 22:01

    It's EXACTLY the same! It even says 'Nintendo 1993' at the bottom! I wish Nintendo bothered a bit more. At least put world and the handheld ones and 64. I don't think it's THAT hard to put some ready made games into 1 disc that can handle up to around 5gb I think!

    And which first party Wii or 3DS title do you want cancelled so that they can work on a new Mario All Stars instead?

    Also, pick up your Wii remote and imagine playing Mario World with it. What buttons would be the spin jump? Not A or B since they're on the left. Not shake either since you need precision spin jumping in some sections.
    And you can't expect people to go out and buy Classic Controllers either if they're not going to be downloading Virtual Console games.

    Yes, because Nintendo really lack development teams to make this collection a piece of software to celebrate Super Mario Bros.' 25th anniversary in style.

    Heck, I wouldn't even mind if a second party developer did the job with staff from Nintendo overseeing the project.

    How long would it take and how many resources would it take to create a reasonable frontend around these games and present them as they deserve (in 60hz, natch)?

    I'd be perfectly happy playing the games in their original NES format or their SNES remakes, as long as some effort has gone into presenting them. I mean they could pack the disc with older Mario adverts, videos of speed runs, developer interviews behind-the-scenes footage (if it exists), concept art and so on.

    ONM aren't biased.

    they're just scared of offending their fans. not really worked that well has it?

    Either way they are puppets of Nintendo - that's the problem with an "official" magazine. Official doesn't always mean best, folks. There's a reason why decent videogame publications like N64 Magazine in the past would plaster "100% UNOFFICIAL" on their covers.

    Which reminds me, does anyone know why Emap, who published the old Nintendo Official Magazine, lost the rights? They weren't so biased, I remember them being absolutely angry at the lazy effort with Pokemon XD on the 'Cube for example (that got 58/100 if I remember correctly).

  92. Mewtwo465 Friday 3rd Dec 2010 at 23:24

    This game is for people who didn't play the original Super Mario All Stars, don't have Virtual Console and would love to play Mario's greatest games. I have Virtual Console but I never played the original All-Stars. I'm getting this for Christmas. Thank you ONM for giving it a good score. 90% it deserves.

  93. Mewtwo465 Friday 3rd Dec 2010 at 23:25

    Sorry nintendo, but this is lazy.

    Would have been much better to see the games updated to New Super Mario Bros. Wii level, and maybe once you clear a game, its original is unlocked?
    There is easily enough room for all that on a DVD.
    The lack of Super Mario World is also pretty annoying.

    The CD it comes with is very disappointing, 25 years of music squashed into 10 songs? Again, lazy.

    Booklet might be nice, but i can live without it. Certainly not worth 20 pound.

    This could have been the must buy game of the year. A glorious retelling of Mario's classic adventures, instead we get an expensive SNES port.


    Well it's better than other recent ports. The booklet's actaully handy. Very handy. The Soundtrack CD isn't so bad to tell the truth.

  94. Mewtwo465 Friday 3rd Dec 2010 at 23:28

    Should i find this on ebay for my orignal snes or just get on wii?


    Just get it for your Wii. The Booklet and Soundtrack CD are worth getting because of it.

  95. Otis P Jivefunk Saturday 4th Dec 2010 at 00:53

    I've been reading through the comments and I have to agree with the complaints. I got so angry reading ONM's defense which neglected all the key points which would be difficult to answer. 50hz isn't good enough, it ruins the entire product for a lot of people, the ones who aren't living in the stone ages. This is 2010, people have big TV's, this poor quality is going to look crap, mention it in your review, don't just pave over it. Look how many people wanted to know, loads of people, but you just neglect to mention it, then you don't even bother to justify why. It's an absolute disgrace, to review a product but not tell the audience about it.

    Nintendo have showed they really don't care about the quality for us Europeans, and ONM have also lead people on with their wording in their review in which some people have pointed out it makes it sound like this is an improvement on the SNES version, when they meant NES. Reviews should be clear, not muddy to cover up the issues at hand just to justify a higher score. Shambles, an absolute shambles...

  96. sciqueen Saturday 4th Dec 2010 at 01:22

    The more I read about this the angrier I get. I remember another edition of SMAS that came with a SNES bundle I think, and it had Super Mario World on it! So if a SNES cartridge can handle all those games with no problem then a Wii disc should be able to have all those games plus much more.

    I don't agree about the NSMB Wii graphics though. I think they're ugly and soulless!

  97. regginator3 Saturday 4th Dec 2010 at 01:40

    I really don't understand the complaints here.

    If you don't want the game and think it's a rip-off, then simply don't buy it. But in my opinion, is £20 for four of the best Mario games ever worth it? Absolutely.

    Some people want to criticise the game because of what it doesn't have, rather than what it does have. If you're one of those people, you're perfectly welcome to do so, but please don't call me biased for giving Super Mario Bros, Super Mario Bros 2, Super Mario Bros 3 and Super Mario Bros: The Lost Levels a total of 90%. If anything, it's underscored.

    When this is Nintendo's way of celebrating 25 years of mario, do you really not understand the complaints?

    It is the SNES ROM put on a disc. LITERALLY. Check the contents of the disc. It literally uses up less than 20 megabytes of disc space. What it does have? A CD and a pamphlet? Last time I checked, ONM reviewed the game, not the extras. I take it in future you'll be reviewing all the contents that come with every game to? Okay then!

    Why didn't Nintendo at least upgrade the visuals to NSMBWii quality? And don't say disc space because I know exactly how much discspace NSMBWii and this game put together use (less than 400). If it had NSMBW visuals, I'd totally agree this deserves 90%+, but it literally improved nothing from the SNES game.

    You can't deny this is outrageously lazy.

    Also, I love the NSMBWii graphics, I think they're far, far from Soulless.

  98. piccadillio Saturday 4th Dec 2010 at 11:13

    No. Making all three games look like NSMB is a ridiculous suggestion, and would rob the games of their individuality. They'd look exactly the same and they'd feel far similar. The games are classics, anybody who wants them to change is an idiot.

  99. luke layton Saturday 4th Dec 2010 at 11:26

    I have this on the snes so i'm not picking this up. But £20 i mean comeon, it's 4 nes games, which would cost £15 at most unless you have a snes or a nes in which it will be much cheaper.
    I loved the zelda collab game and Prime trilogy, but this is just redundant. I would have bought it if they put super mario world on it.


    Erm,the £5 for the music and artwork?

    Take a guess...

  100. maxmatt Saturday 4th Dec 2010 at 11:28

    I think I'll cross this off my Christmas list. I'll stick to playing the original(the version that also included super mario world) in 60hz mode on my modified snes

  101. chojin Saturday 4th Dec 2010 at 12:09

    Paid £13.99 for mine :D

  102. SilverLightning Saturday 4th Dec 2010 at 12:21

    No. Making all three games look like NSMB is a ridiculous suggestion, and would rob the games of their individuality. They'd look exactly the same and they'd feel far similar. The games are classics, anybody who wants them to change is an idiot.

    What about the graphics on the GBA (Super Mario Advance edition) releases? It'd at least be an improvement.

  103. piccadillio Saturday 4th Dec 2010 at 13:13

    See, those are remakes that are worth-while. They look and play great, and everybody loves a handheld version of one of their favourite games. They even had more content than this version, per game.

  104. Fredsterr Saturday 4th Dec 2010 at 13:34

    I get where everyone is coming from, update the graphics to NSMBW style, put Super Mario world on, more tracks on the CD. But, 4 of the best games ever on 1 disc for 20 quid is darn cheap if you ask me and there is free stuff. Could have been a lot better but still getting it!

  105. piccadillio Saturday 4th Dec 2010 at 13:50

    Can people stop mentioning the updating the graphics thing? Very few of us are in favour of that, and the ones who are are objectively wrong.

  106. thekwlman11 Saturday 4th Dec 2010 at 13:56

    No. Making all three games look like NSMB is a ridiculous suggestion, and would rob the games of their individuality. They'd look exactly the same and they'd feel far similar. The games are classics, anybody who wants them to change is an idiot.

    What are you on about? Nintendo changed the entore engine for the SNES original, so what you're saying is a load of tosh. Gimme NSMBWii graphics and I will pay £30 for it.

  107. piccadillio Saturday 4th Dec 2010 at 14:38

    I think if that happened, the internet would explode with righteous ire. Making them look exactly the same would be the worst thing they could do to those games. It's a horrible idea, and it would cause outrage among the people who have been playing Mario games for over two decades.

    I really can't stress enough how terrible that would be. I can't believe people actually think it would improve matters. What is this obsession with remakes? How about playing some new games? The reason why this package sucks isn't the games, it's the lack of anything special at all to commemorate 25 years of Mario. A graphical update wouldn't be a celebration of classic Mario, it would suggest that they aren't good enough, which is far from the truth. By all means sharpen it up - I'd love to play it with HD sprites and backgrounds - but to change the whole style of these games would be a crime. They're pieces of history, and the fact that they had such distinct styles adds to their appeal. How much crap did Nintendo get for Galaxy 2? It was struck off as a lazy sequel because it used the same engine and was the first direct sequel since the Japanese SMB2. Now you want three games to look exactly like a current Wii game? You'd be stuck trying to tell them apart!

  108. Yoshifan007 Saturday 4th Dec 2010 at 17:25

    See, those are remakes that are worth-while. They look and play great, and everybody loves a handheld version of one of their favourite games. They even had more content than this version, per game.

    Like OoT 3D?

  109. sciqueen Saturday 4th Dec 2010 at 17:51

    I think if that happened, the internet would explode with righteous ire. Making them look exactly the same would be the worst thing they could do to those games. It's a horrible idea, and it would cause outrage among the people who have been playing Mario games for over two decades.

    I really can't stress enough how terrible that would be. I can't believe people actually think it would improve matters. What is this obsession with remakes? How about playing some new games? The reason why this package sucks isn't the games, it's the lack of anything special at all to commemorate 25 years of Mario. A graphical update wouldn't be a celebration of classic Mario, it would suggest that they aren't good enough, which is far from the truth. By all means sharpen it up - I'd love to play it with HD sprites and backgrounds - but to change the whole style of these games would be a crime. They're pieces of history, and the fact that they had such distinct styles adds to their appeal. How much crap did Nintendo get for Galaxy 2? It was struck off as a lazy sequel because it used the same engine and was the first direct sequel since the Japanese SMB2. Now you want three games to look exactly like a current Wii game? You'd be stuck trying to tell them apart!

    Agreed! The old games look much better than the New series.

    But we're getting off topic lol.

  110. minirocker Saturday 4th Dec 2010 at 19:07

    The "enhanced graphics" look pretty similar to the original All-Stars.


    Enhanced from the NES versions.

    spectacular, that sounds like alot of effort on nintendo's part...

  111. Toman Saturday 4th Dec 2010 at 20:22


    So true. SHAME ON NINTENDO!! ONM are very biased. Ngamer gave this 55% and rightly so. Its a lazy attempt to grab money from the fans and its happening now. The original mario bros may have been a revolution but its been outdone by newer games. Miyamoto was right in saying that mario world is the best mario game of all time.


    ...same mag that gave Bit. Trip Runner 1/5...

  112. sivlock Saturday 4th Dec 2010 at 21:55

    I went to the shops today to check out the varied price for Mario All Stars and was slightly disappointed with most of them ranging over 20 pounds, the Sainsbury online deal should have been the official retail price.

  113. minirocker Saturday 4th Dec 2010 at 22:48

    I really don't understand the complaints here.

    If you don't want the game and think it's a rip-off, then simply don't buy it. But in my opinion, is £20 for four of the best Mario games ever worth it? Absolutely.

    Some people want to criticise the game because of what it doesn't have, rather than what it does have. If you're one of those people, you're perfectly welcome to do so, but please don't call me biased for giving Super Mario Bros, Super Mario Bros 2, Super Mario Bros 3 and Super Mario Bros: The Lost Levels a total of 90%. If anything, it's underscored.

    a direct port of a gamecube game i can take, but snes? that's too far. a proper remake would have been good, with NSMB graphics and new music, but something that was released 17 years ago has no place in a wii case, mario or not.

  114. Jay32 Sunday 5th Dec 2010 at 02:42

    Though I haven't gotten this yet(I gotta wait for the 12), I do agree with giving the game a 90% rating. Yes, I feel they could've done a bit more, personally, I think they should have replaced SM2 and 3 with all 4 Super Mario Advance games, since they have been fine tuned a bit more, but I digress...

    Since we never saw the GBA enhancements of SMB and the Lost Levels, I think it is worth buying for that! And the packaging, as well as that history booklet, heck yeah! Not to mention the fact that they've had a lot of commemorative stuff for the 25th anniversary in Japan! As such, we should be grateful that we're getting more of it outside Japan! We hardly got half of what Japan got for Mario's 20th anniversary!

    Finally, the £20 or $30, maybe it is a bit much, but it's cheaper than most big Wii games, and it is cheaper than SMA originally retailed for in '93!

  115. arkeous Sunday 5th Dec 2010 at 08:13

    1000 Wii Points can be bought from the Wii Shop Channel for £7.00
    Therefore, 100 Wii Points are 70p

    Super Mario Bros. costs 500 points.
    5 x 70p = £3.50

    Super Mario Bros. 2 costs 500 points.
    5 x 70p = £3.50

    Super Mario Bros. 3 costs 500 points.
    5 x 70p = £3.50

    Super Mario Bros: The Lost Levels costs 600 points
    6 x 70p = £4.20

    Therefore, to buy all four games featured in Super Mario All-Stars from the Wii Shop Channel would cost £14.70

    Super Mario All-Stars has better graphics, which adds to the price, and it comes with a CD and booklet.

    SMB +SMB2 + SMB3 + SMB:LL + Better Graphics + CD + Booklet = £20

    I think that's perfectly reasonable.

  116. Wii-Man Sunday 5th Dec 2010 at 09:49

    Whilst i kinda agree that maybe more could have been included people seem to be missing one thing....ITS 4 MARIO GAMES on ONE DISC. It seems that we have all been spoiled these days with mountains of extra's and when some games come out without them then they are seen as lazy etc. Sure the graphics could have been updated to cope with HD/LCD tv's. But what a lot of people are missing is the FUN involved playing these games. I work offshore and take my Wii games with me when i am off shift,so even if i dont have 5 hours of videos, artwork etc I am still getting a hell of a lot of gaming for £20. Some dvd's come out with a couple of extras like making of's, bloopers and charge £15. But no-one complains about them and they surely have less replay value. Gamers in general seem to think that games need loads of technicality to be fun....i for one couldn't get into Gran Turismo or Gears Of War. FAR too much to do, too many buttons and very little room for error. This game on the other hand? Simple addictive fun. The way games should be. :D

  117. Mario man22 Sunday 5th Dec 2010 at 10:25

    yes it should be £20 because £7times4=£28 and it comes with bones gifts.

  118. Redfish20 Sunday 5th Dec 2010 at 16:03

    redfish, the wii shop sells 1000 points for £7. just use a debit card like a Visa Electron.

    Now they tell me :roll:
    Thanks btw

  119. MetroidAzura Sunday 5th Dec 2010 at 16:10

    I think the price tag is very reasonable, though, HMV are selling it for £25. For what's included, the stellar booklet, an okay (at best) Soundtrack CD, and four of the better Mario games from his past, I find the package an excellent bargain.

    However, I wouldn't have minded it altered, perhaps Mario World as an added incentive.

  120. layton66 Monday 6th Dec 2010 at 01:32

    ONM's biased reviews strike again!

    Seriously, this game deserves 50% for effort. Great, it's got the best Mario games on it, but it's also an incredibly lazy port that's lacking Super Mario World (which is even better than those games). The soundtrack is also lacking in a wider range of tunes that would truly make this essential, as well as the package missing a lot of things that could have made this better. This game is a shameful way of celebrating the plumber's 25th Anniversary. Nintendo should hang their heads in shame.

    Oh, and it's in 50Hz.

    Like they said in the podcast you have to review whats there and not what should be there and whats there is good.

  121. regginator3 Monday 6th Dec 2010 at 12:19

    No. Making all three games look like NSMB is a ridiculous suggestion, and would rob the games of their individuality. They'd look exactly the same and they'd feel far similar. The games are classics, anybody who wants them to change is an idiot.

    Anybody who can't understand the concept of subjectivity is an "idiot".

    Making all 3 games look the same ruins them? I can't say I agree. Yes, SMB1,2, and 3, all look very different from each other, however making them all look NSMBW-style isn't so bad.

    Someone has made a rom-hack of NSMB that changes all the levels to those of SMB3 levels. It's basically a remake of SMB3 with NSMB graphics.

    What you don't realise is that it's possible to change the actual textures. You can still make them all have an individual style, y'know. People have done it.

    Look, SMB3:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nd2gtBhgwQM

    Admittedly, having it's own 'style' is kind of limited in that particular hack, but you can see the blocks from world 1 level 1 on SMB3 right there.

    Just have that with the Wii version. Would be a brilliant game.

    You can't say people are "objectively wrong" for wanting them to upgrade the graphics, that's the biggest load of b*****ks I've ever heard.

  122. random_guy_14 Monday 6th Dec 2010 at 19:53

    ONM's biased reviews strike again!

    Seriously, this game deserves 50% for effort. Great, it's got the best Mario games on it, but it's also an incredibly lazy port that's lacking Super Mario World (which is even better than those games). The soundtrack is also lacking in a wider range of tunes that would truly make this essential, as well as the package missing a lot of things that could have made this better. This game is a shameful way of celebrating the plumber's 25th Anniversary. Nintendo should hang their heads in shame.

    Oh, and it's in 50Hz.

    Like they said in the podcast you have to review whats there and not what should be there and whats there is good.

    Wow, it's like as if you didn't bother reading through the thread and seeing any of my other posts...

  123. random_guy_14 Monday 6th Dec 2010 at 20:06

    No. Making all three games look like NSMB is a ridiculous suggestion, and would rob the games of their individuality. They'd look exactly the same and they'd feel far similar. The games are classics, anybody who wants them to change is an idiot.

    Anybody who can't understand the concept of subjectivity is an "idiot".

    Making all 3 games look the same ruins them? I can't say I agree. Yes, SMB1,2, and 3, all look very different from each other, however making them all look NSMBW-style isn't so bad.

    Someone has made a rom-hack of NSMB that changes all the levels to those of SMB3 levels. It's basically a remake of SMB3 with NSMB graphics.

    What you don't realise is that it's possible to change the actual textures. You can still make them all have an individual style, y'know. People have done it.

    Look, SMB3:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nd2gtBhgwQM

    Admittedly, having it's own 'style' is kind of limited in that particular hack, but you can see the blocks from world 1 level 1 on SMB3 right there.

    Just have that with the Wii version. Would be a brilliant game.

    You can't say people are "objectively wrong" for wanting them to upgrade the graphics, that's the biggest load of b*****ks I've ever heard.

    That hack...

    ... Just proved how horribly soul-less NSMB is, and how its style does not suit SMB3, or any of the other SMB's, at all. I think I would actually die if I saw Nintendo ever do that.

  124. TromaDogg Tuesday 7th Dec 2010 at 04:40

    Take the Pavement re-releases, for example. They have close to 40 tracks on each, with a big old book about each album, all remastered, for the same RRP as a new CD.


    And what you've got here is the same game with a book and a soundtrack CD, for half the RRP of a new game. it's not that bad.

    And the booklet is actually really good, it's not just some throwaway leaflet that tells you things you already know.

    The booklet certainly doesn't tell you anything interesting or informative though. It's just a lot of pictures, and 1 (count 'em) quote each from Shiggy, Takashi Tezuka and Koji Kondo for each game. As for the CD, there's been better given away with the magazine in the past (I'm thinking of the Zelda, Smash Bros and Donkey Konga ones here). It's half assed and contains a bare minimum of music from the series.

    I'd like to remind people of the review for Sonic Classics Collection on the DS here:

    http://www.officialnintendomagazine.co. ... p?id=15831

    That review, despite praising the games on it themselves, was also quite (and justifiably) critical of Sega's laziness with it as a whole. If they rerelease that set of games on the Wii on one DVD, 50hz versions too and no added extras at all, with a similarly bare bones booklet and CD when it's Sonic's 25th anniversary, can we expect to see the score increased to 90% because, well, they're still fun games to play and millions of people still love them (many even more so than the Mario games)? I can't see it happening somehow.

  125. davva Tuesday 7th Dec 2010 at 13:00

    I have bought this and am really enjoying playing the games again. I already have the games as separate NES carts (excluding Lost levels) and the SNES All Stars cart (the version without Mario World).
    There's no arguing with the quality of the games, these are classics. So the game play on offer is excellent and worthy of 90%+.
    However, the overall presentation is lacking. The extras included here are OK but underwhelming. The main issue i have is with the in-game presentation. As an example of what could have been done, the Gamecube Sonic Colleciton has a front-end to browse extras and move between games and has a choice to run PAL or NTSC versions of the available games, surely this would have been possible; the additional booklet and soundtrack could have been included as part of the presentation on the Wii Disc itself. One last thing, I have a really old CRT TV running my Wii on AV/SCART leads so i wasn't expecting any problems with the display as i'm used to seeing every game at it's "worst", however, this does suffer from very noticeable (constant) flicker, which doesn't happen with my SNES and original cart (or any other Wii game)

  126. imbusydoctorwho Tuesday 7th Dec 2010 at 13:59

    It's a great game I would have give it 85% though.

  127. layton66 Tuesday 7th Dec 2010 at 14:53

    ONM's biased reviews strike again!

    Seriously, this game deserves 50% for effort. Great, it's got the best Mario games on it, but it's also an incredibly lazy port that's lacking Super Mario World (which is even better than those games). The soundtrack is also lacking in a wider range of tunes that would truly make this essential, as well as the package missing a lot of things that could have made this better. This game is a shameful way of celebrating the plumber's 25th Anniversary. Nintendo should hang their heads in shame.

    Oh, and it's in 50Hz.

    Like they said in the podcast you have to review whats there and not what should be there and whats there is good.

    Wow, it's like as if you didn't bother reading through the thread and seeing any of my other posts...

    Yep it's a power I have. Guys stop moaning about it it's not like you have to buy the game is it? ccome on it's a a deal 4 of the best games ever for 20 quid with hours of entertaiment if you have all 4 of them you don't need to buy it have the original you don't have to buy it but if you never played all of theese ggames then buy it. NOW STOP MOANING jeeze

  128. sciqueen Tuesday 7th Dec 2010 at 15:05

    After seeing the NSMB hack of the old games it is safe to say that NSMB's graphics are truly awful! Playing the old games with those graphics gets rid of all the charm. I know everyone has an opinion and all that but those graphics really are bad!

    As for people saying "You don't have to buy it!", we obviously know that so that argument is irrelevant. The problem is that we really did want to buy this collection but we've been let down by Nintendo, that's why we're miffed!

  129. regginator3 Tuesday 7th Dec 2010 at 15:18

    Okay then. how about upgrading the SM-Allstars graphics by say, doing hand-drawn graphics similar-ish to "Braid"?

  130. carnivine chaos Tuesday 7th Dec 2010 at 17:39

    This game probably deserves 94% imo, because all these games are pretty quality. Getting a lower score because it "could have" been something else isn't a good reason. You're scoring the game based on its gameplay. 4 great games in one? Sounds all right to me. It's price equally doesn't matter. It's about the game.

    So stop complaining about the score, your arguments have nothing to do with the score. One final thing, graphics don't matter when it comes to making a game.

    Better graphics, I agree, would've been nice, but it shouldn't and doesn't (for me) affect my opinion on this game.

    It's Super Mario All-Stars, a SNES must-have for a pretty decent price. Even if it's not preferable, I'm still getting it for the collectable value.

  131. layton66 Wednesday 8th Dec 2010 at 14:31

    This game probably deserves 94% imo, because all these games are pretty quality. Getting a lower score because it "could have" been something else isn't a good reason. You're scoring the game based on its gameplay. 4 great games in one? Sounds all right to me. It's price equally doesn't matter. It's about the game.

    So stop complaining about the score, your arguments have nothing to do with the score. One final thing, graphics don't matter when it comes to making a game.

    Better graphics, I agree, would've been nice, but it shouldn't and doesn't (for me) affect my opinion on this game.

    It's Super Mario All-Stars, a SNES must-have for a pretty decent price. Even if it's not preferable, I'm still getting it for the collectable value.

    Finally some one with sense.

  132. sporkhead Wednesday 8th Dec 2010 at 15:55

    This game probably deserves 94% imo, because all these games are pretty quality. Getting a lower score because it "could have" been something else isn't a good reason. You're scoring the game based on its gameplay. 4 great games in one? Sounds all right to me. It's price equally doesn't matter. It's about the game.

    So stop complaining about the score, your arguments have nothing to do with the score. One final thing, graphics don't matter when it comes to making a game.

    Better graphics, I agree, would've been nice, but it shouldn't and doesn't (for me) affect my opinion on this game.

    It's Super Mario All-Stars, a SNES must-have for a pretty decent price. Even if it's not preferable, I'm still getting it for the collectable value.

    Finally some one with sense.

    I've said in pretty much most of my posts on this forum when I complain about the ONM review that the score isn't so much the issue here, it's the content of the review. I'm not going to repeat myself, but basically the issue is the fact that the issues we all know with this release are blatantly ignored in their review of the game.

    GameCentral awarded the game an 8, I'mn sure few will disagree with, but at least they mentioned the following:

    "The back of the box isn't lying when it says nothing else has changed though. Even the title screen and menu system is exactly the same as it was 17 years ago - including references to the SNES controller. What that means for anyone in Europe is that, like almost all SNES releases on the Virtual Console, the game only runs in 50Hz mode. Like the Virtual Console games the horizontal borders common to all European console games of the era have been considerably reduced in size, but the game still runs slower than the Japanese and American versions."

    "This is an act of sheer laziness on the part of Nintendo of Europe"

    "a SNES title on the Virtual Console costs £5.60 and here you're being asked to pay almost five times as much for no obvious reason."

    "Suffice to say this is not worth an extra £19.40, especially as we've had better Nintendo soundtrack CDs free off the front of a magazine."

    Lastly, you're making the assumption that the quality of the titles is very important in the review of a collection of games everyone knows are masterpieces (well, 2 of them anyway) and have been around for years. Since this was the piece of software produced to celebrate Mario's 25th anniversary, arguably presentation plays a much higher part in terms of the scoring of this title anyway.

    Member IfritXVII has already gone into detail on page 2 of these comments what Nintendo could have done to celebrate Super Mario Bros.' 25th anniversary in style. Heck, they already have released interviews with Mr. Miyamoto about the games that they could have put on the disc for us all to enjoy.

  133. bouncer0304 Wednesday 8th Dec 2010 at 19:13

    They could have included super Mario world as well, but for those who aren't connected to the internet or can't afford any games on the virtual console, then it's not too bad (considering it's about £15 for all of them on the shopping channel, with this you get an added booklet and cd with it for about £20). I'm looking forward to playing mario 3 again on my tv, but i have to wait until christmas (in fact, thanks to HMV messing up their price, my dad only paid £8.10 for it, which means i get an extra present for £9.89!)

  134. carnivine chaos Wednesday 8th Dec 2010 at 22:31

    This game probably deserves 94% imo, because all these games are pretty quality. Getting a lower score because it "could have" been something else isn't a good reason. You're scoring the game based on its gameplay. 4 great games in one? Sounds all right to me. It's price equally doesn't matter. It's about the game.

    So stop complaining about the score, your arguments have nothing to do with the score. One final thing, graphics don't matter when it comes to making a game.

    Better graphics, I agree, would've been nice, but it shouldn't and doesn't (for me) affect my opinion on this game.

    It's Super Mario All-Stars, a SNES must-have for a pretty decent price. Even if it's not preferable, I'm still getting it for the collectable value.

    Finally some one with sense.

    I've said in pretty much most of my posts on this forum when I complain about the ONM review that the score isn't so much the issue here, it's the content of the review. I'm not going to repeat myself, but basically the issue is the fact that the issues we all know with this release are blatantly ignored in their review of the game.

    GameCentral awarded the game an 8, I'mn sure few will disagree with, but at least they mentioned the following:

    "The back of the box isn't lying when it says nothing else has changed though. Even the title screen and menu system is exactly the same as it was 17 years ago - including references to the SNES controller. What that means for anyone in Europe is that, like almost all SNES releases on the Virtual Console, the game only runs in 50Hz mode. Like the Virtual Console games the horizontal borders common to all European console games of the era have been considerably reduced in size, but the game still runs slower than the Japanese and American versions."

    "This is an act of sheer laziness on the part of Nintendo of Europe"

    "a SNES title on the Virtual Console costs £5.60 and here you're being asked to pay almost five times as much for no obvious reason."

    "Suffice to say this is not worth an extra £19.40, especially as we've had better Nintendo soundtrack CDs free off the front of a magazine."

    Lastly, you're making the assumption that the quality of the titles is very important in the review of a collection of games everyone knows are masterpieces (well, 2 of them anyway) and have been around for years. Since this was the piece of software produced to celebrate Mario's 25th anniversary, arguably presentation plays a much higher part in terms of the scoring of this title anyway.

    Member IfritXVII has already gone into detail on page 2 of these comments what Nintendo could have done to celebrate Super Mario Bros.' 25th anniversary in style. Heck, they already have released interviews with Mr. Miyamoto about the games that they could have put on the disc for us all to enjoy.

    I see what you're saying, but you can't criticise a game based on what the creators didn't do. Simply put, the game is SMB1, 2, 3, and Doki Doki Panic with Mario skins, that is what should be reviewed. The fact that is was made for a particular event makes no difference, are you suggesting you would rate it differently if it was made for a different reason, like, to compete against other compilation games? Well, if you would, then shame on you.

    Yes, it's a bit of a shameful attempt to celebrate Mario's 25th anniversary, no-one's denying that, but stuff like 50Hz or the price really don't matter when it comes down to the review. 50Hz isn't a problem to most people, some because they're not fussed and others because it adds the nostalgia factor. A game shouldn't get a lower score because you think that slight problem that barely ever happens where it slows down slightly isn't good enough for people.

    Also, ONM did say it could be cheaper, so why you're saying it lacks this is beyond me. Not that it matters.

  135. sciqueen Thursday 9th Dec 2010 at 10:41

    Okay then. how about upgrading the SM-Allstars graphics by say, doing hand-drawn graphics similar-ish to "Braid"?

    That could work, as long as they base it on the old character sprites and not the newer ones (I never did like Yoshi's post-SNES look!)

  136. GoombaInDisguise Thursday 9th Dec 2010 at 16:04

    NSMB Graphics are not Souless.

    If it had, say, SMB3'S Graphics, these days, no-one'd buy it because they know there are much more visually appealing games on Xbox and PS3. It's literally a 100% Casual Market. Casual Gamers don't buy Game = Nintendo lose alot of money.

    Sure, SMB3 Graphics'd be cool for Retro Heads, but in the Modern market it's gonna get shunned.

    This also does give them a good reason for a Higher price, as it Obviously won't sell quite aswell as a game with amazing, Modern graphics, they need to be able to make a profit.

  137. jobo Sunday 12th Dec 2010 at 18:51

    Got the game now. Sorry but nintendo releasing this for £20 is shameless. It is just a rom of the game on a disk. They should have released it with NSMBW graphics that would have been awesome. Also the controls on this feel oddly slugish.

  138. sporkhead Monday 13th Dec 2010 at 23:27

    This game probably deserves 94% imo, because all these games are pretty quality. Getting a lower score because it "could have" been something else isn't a good reason. You're scoring the game based on its gameplay. 4 great games in one? Sounds all right to me. It's price equally doesn't matter. It's about the game.

    So stop complaining about the score, your arguments have nothing to do with the score. One final thing, graphics don't matter when it comes to making a game.

    Better graphics, I agree, would've been nice, but it shouldn't and doesn't (for me) affect my opinion on this game.

    It's Super Mario All-Stars, a SNES must-have for a pretty decent price. Even if it's not preferable, I'm still getting it for the collectable value.

    Finally some one with sense.

    I've said in pretty much most of my posts on this forum when I complain about the ONM review that the score isn't so much the issue here, it's the content of the review. I'm not going to repeat myself, but basically the issue is the fact that the issues we all know with this release are blatantly ignored in their review of the game.

    GameCentral awarded the game an 8, I'mn sure few will disagree with, but at least they mentioned the following:

    "The back of the box isn't lying when it says nothing else has changed though. Even the title screen and menu system is exactly the same as it was 17 years ago - including references to the SNES controller. What that means for anyone in Europe is that, like almost all SNES releases on the Virtual Console, the game only runs in 50Hz mode. Like the Virtual Console games the horizontal borders common to all European console games of the era have been considerably reduced in size, but the game still runs slower than the Japanese and American versions."

    "This is an act of sheer laziness on the part of Nintendo of Europe"

    "a SNES title on the Virtual Console costs £5.60 and here you're being asked to pay almost five times as much for no obvious reason."

    "Suffice to say this is not worth an extra £19.40, especially as we've had better Nintendo soundtrack CDs free off the front of a magazine."

    Lastly, you're making the assumption that the quality of the titles is very important in the review of a collection of games everyone knows are masterpieces (well, 2 of them anyway) and have been around for years. Since this was the piece of software produced to celebrate Mario's 25th anniversary, arguably presentation plays a much higher part in terms of the scoring of this title anyway.

    Member IfritXVII has already gone into detail on page 2 of these comments what Nintendo could have done to celebrate Super Mario Bros.' 25th anniversary in style. Heck, they already have released interviews with Mr. Miyamoto about the games that they could have put on the disc for us all to enjoy.

    I see what you're saying, but you can't criticise a game based on what the creators didn't do. Simply put, the game is SMB1, 2, 3, and Doki Doki Panic with Mario skins, that is what should be reviewed. The fact that is was made for a particular event makes no difference, are you suggesting you would rate it differently if it was made for a different reason, like, to compete against other compilation games? Well, if you would, then shame on you.

    Yes, it's a bit of a shameful attempt to celebrate Mario's 25th anniversary, no-one's denying that, but stuff like 50Hz or the price really don't matter when it comes down to the review. 50Hz isn't a problem to most people, some because they're not fussed and others because it adds the nostalgia factor. A game shouldn't get a lower score because you think that slight problem that barely ever happens where it slows down slightly isn't good enough for people.

    Also, ONM did say it could be cheaper, so why you're saying it lacks this is beyond me. Not that it matters.

    I disagree. As I've said before, a game review, or the best, most respected game reviews arguably aren't meant to tell you how much you'll enjoy it, rather it is meant to say how well a game does what it sets out to do. Considering this is meant to celebrate Mario's 25th anniversary, it does this quite miserably.

    We all know what this compilation could have been like. Let's read a few comments from the Ars Technica review, who gave it a rating of "skip".

    "This is all recycled content, thrown together into a $30 package that looks impressive when it's sitting on a shelf, but feels completely half-assed when you actually open the box. This was a chance for Nintendo to put together a package that could have been very special, but the company decided instead to do it quickly and cheaply. It's a complete shame, and somewhat maddening. Even for fans of Mario, I have to give this..."

    It only seems ONM are the source who don't mention the issues we all know this compilation has, but of course ONM, being "puppets of Nintendo", to quote a member on the Computerandvideogames forum where a news article of the ONM review was posted in, likely had no choice but to ignore the obvious issues with this release because of their "official" status, I assume.

    You've also got the wrong idea when you mention it's not a case of how ONM shouldn't "criticise a game based on what the creators didn't do". The criticisms other sources have mentioned are based on what is there. Just look at the menus. The soundtrack. The extra content included within the package. It's there, but it's hardly amazing, now is it? The "creators" did this. They did it badly. Thus it should be mentioned that it was a lazy effort.

    Proof that Nintendo can do a good job when they try is around, too. Just look at the GameCube Zelda bonus discs, which retailed for £0. Those were 60hz, bursting with content and you could tell they lovingly made.

    Based on your logic that game review content should be tailored to the audience of the game (as you said, 50HZ won't matter to "some people"), considering a large majority of people who would be interested in this compilation, including myself, will buy it because of nostalgia reasons or because it is a collection to celebrate Super Mario Bros.'s 25 anniversary, and thus we all know some of the games within it are masterpieces. So again, presentation matters a lot.

    Anyways that's my last post about this ONM review, I've probably written 10000 words+ on this subject by now across the forum and I'm starting to sound like I'm ranting, which isn't great.

  139. Declansupermega Tuesday 14th Dec 2010 at 17:40

    It has Super Mario Bros 1-3, with SNES graphics and sound, and also comes with a CD and a book about Mario history, AND is about £19 on Amazon, when the NES versions of the games, would cost £14ish on the Virtual Console?...........and some people think its a rip off?

  140. mandlecreed Wednesday 15th Dec 2010 at 00:24

    It has Super Mario Bros 1-3, with SNES graphics and sound, and also comes with a CD and a book about Mario history, AND is about £19 on Amazon, when the NES versions of the games, would cost £14ish on the Virtual Console?...........and some people think its a rip off?

    The question some of us older gamers have is not whether it is worth what is being charged, nor is the quality of the games in doubt (many Nintendo gamers will have only played the 50hz SNES All Stars anyway), but the effort Nintendo has put in to its number one IP on his anniversary. One of the main reasons Nintendo is still here today.

    Mario. MARIO. I first played Mario 2 many years ago. Loved it. Played Mario 1 not long after. Then Mario 3. Then Super Mario World.

    Then Mario 64. Then Galaxy.

    All some of my best gaming memories. All starring Mario.

    Okay. He isn't real. He's just pixels. But what those pixels stand for is some of video game's greatest moments. Some of the best reasons you play video games in the first place. The thing, the main motivation behind you sitting in front of that TV, why you risk square eyes, why your mum told you off because you were still on it at 2 in the morning.

    The memories. That sneaky 1up, that little glitch, that discovery of something you thought wasn't deliberately put in the game.

    All these things. So many things. Too many.

    Mario is (the word 'is' in great big bold letters) video gaming to many. He deserves a celebration that reflects this. Unfortunately, the feeble box set Nintendo have released does not, in any way, do the fat man justice.

    Pity.

  141. vinnyboiler Sunday 19th Dec 2010 at 07:07

    It's 4:3 only (non-widescreen), it has some button lag and it'll run in 50hz only (10% slower than NTSC/PAL 60hz).

    I really don't understand the complaints here.

    Its a bad port. BAD PORT. Stop pretending this is a new game. IT'S NOT, it's a bad port. Why is this not mentioned in the review? WHY IS THIS GETTING IGNORED? Can't I get a good answer about why this really important fact is quietly pushed to one side? :evil:

    ONM's biased reviews strike again!

  142. KKNinty347 Monday 20th Dec 2010 at 11:14

    I bought this game recently, and it is fabulous! Buying this game spared me the use of Nintendo points and Debit cards to buy four original Mario games. They look and sound better too.

  143. neongiratina Saturday 25th Dec 2010 at 12:13

    Not worth £20? That's less than how much it is to get the original NES version seperatly. Not only are you getting about £25 worth of games there, you're also getting an album and a history booklet. Both the album alone should be about £5. And the history booklet? also around £5, so that's about £35 worth of stuff there.

    90%? I'd say 97%. The four best games ever made with reprised SNES graphics, a music album AND a history booklet? well worth £20.

  144. NINTENDOPOKEMON Saturday 25th Dec 2010 at 22:01

    i got it for Christmas today after asking for it and thinking how cool it was gonna be.

    Then when i played it i realized that everyone wasn't lying to me and they did just dump it on a disk. :(
    the extra stuff made it just about worth £20 or a Christmas present though, because i hoard collectable Nintendo stuff.

    but not 90% - the original games may have got high %'s
    the original all-stars may have got an ok'ish %
    But the same thing on wii, not even improved...
    75% or less

  145. PurplePikmin2009 Wednesday 29th Dec 2010 at 19:01

    TBH, I have only played Super mario Bros 3....the rest I haven't played once. This will be good for me.

  146. David Westy Saturday 1st Jan 2011 at 22:53

    To be fair for £20, 4 old Nintendo classics which go for £5 each on VC. Therefore £20 sounds reasonable especially when including extras. Agreeably it is lazy but why change a classic especially when they market it as the classics and not enhanced products are they really milking it. Where they do milk it is slinging a new DS console onto the market every year.

  147. wikiisthecutest Saturday 15th Jan 2011 at 07:19

    WHAT!!! 90% makes no SENSE! And I know you think I'm gonna say: ITS RLY BAD, but I think it needs a HIGHER SCORE. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it. All four game are perfect and this is in my top 10 games EVER. 95% PLZ.

  148. vinnyboiler Tuesday 18th Jan 2011 at 22:14

    i got it for Christmas today after asking for it and thinking how cool it was gonna be.

    Then when i played it i realized that everyone wasn't lying to me and they did just dump it on a disk. :(
    the extra stuff made it just about worth £20 or a Christmas present though, because i hoard collectable Nintendo stuff.

    but not 90% - the original games may have got high %'s
    the original all-stars may have got an ok'ish %
    But the same thing on wii, not even improved...
    75% or less

    It's 90% because that's how good the original SNES version was (at the time some sites gave it a 100% because it's that good).

    But this piece of monstrous trash of a port deserves to be thrown away, spitted on and never to be spoken of again. (for all the reasons mentioned in my previous post)

    Do you understand what I am saying to you right now ONM, this is a outrage I DISPUTE THIS :evil:

  149. thundercat96 Wednesday 26th Jan 2011 at 19:34

    Does this run in 60Hz or 50Hz? Can anybody confirm?

    50Hz! An absolute disgrace :(

  150. thundercat96 Wednesday 26th Jan 2011 at 19:50

    Hang your heads in shame Nintendo, coz this is A MASSIVE RIP OFF :!: Mario has really cocked up big time! The graphics have just been enhanced and that doesn't make a good difference whatsoever. What a waste of disc. Oh, here's a good idea :idea: (!) Add all of the Robocop and Terminator movies on there instead! Also, why don't you put 50Hz on the game an' all! The only good things are the gameplay and the music. :) Final score should be 66% max.

  151. slangman Friday 28th Jan 2011 at 12:24

    I really don't understand the complaints here.

    If you don't want the game and think it's a rip-off, then simply don't buy it. But in my opinion, is £20 for four of the best Mario games ever worth it? Absolutely.

    Some people want to criticise the game because of what it doesn't have, rather than what it does have. If you're one of those people, you're perfectly welcome to do so, but please don't call me biased for giving Super Mario Bros, Super Mario Bros 2, Super Mario Bros 3 and Super Mario Bros: The Lost Levels a total of 90%. If anything, it's underscored.

    The game itself is fine. However the quality of the game is not the issue here. £20 is expensive for a simple SNES port. The music track list should have been far more extensive, with more music tracks, not a measly 20.

    There are no extra features (e.g. achievements) to make this stand out more.

    The review should have noted that the PAL version doesn't include a 60Hz option. In this day and age us PAL gamers shouldn't have to put up with lazy poor 50Hz conversions like this one.

    So yeah this game doesn't deserve 90%, because it’s a lazy re-hash released by Nintendo, to cash on the popularity of Mario’s 25th Anniversary. It doesn’t matter if this is a Nintendo game, a lazy port is a lazy port.

    ONM marked down quite a few games like Scarface for been lazy who why not this one?

    Since I hold a valid point and didn't get a reply from Chris, this can only mean I am right and he is wrong.

    See ONM are biased.

  152. vinnyboiler Monday 31st Jan 2011 at 05:20

    It's a shame when you have such a great journalist like Chris sell out to Nintendo. All it does is hurt his reputation, especially since he don't even want defend himself :(

  153. slangman Wednesday 2nd Feb 2011 at 15:18

    It's a shame when you have such a great journalist like Chris sell out to Nintendo. All it does is hurt his reputation, especially since he don't even want defend himself :(

    Couldn't agree more.

  154. wewantkirby Thursday 3rd Feb 2011 at 12:47

    4 of all time great mario games
    1 CD soundtrack contain the best game music ever made
    and a neat little booklet showing artwork.....WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT FOR £20?????????? i could understand if people complained if it was £30 and get this much but its not, brand new game £20, 4 seperate games for £20 its not a rip off, if anything its a blissing for people (like myself) who don't have online to download these classics. i say well done nintendo, you do a great job. :D

  155. ChrisONM Monday 7th Feb 2011 at 14:46

    It's a shame when you have such a great journalist like Chris sell out to Nintendo. All it does is hurt his reputation, especially since he don't even want defend himself :(

    Couldn't agree more.


    Either that or I didn't expect to still be checking a comments thread on a review that's a few months old now.

    I made my original arguments in both the review and the comments, and they still stand. That doesn't mean I'm biased, so I don't understand how that logic works. It simply means I've said my bit and it's a bit pointless repeating it again. I have my opinion, you have yours, but please don't tell me mine isn't worth anything because of the magazine I happen to write for.

  156. lmorr Monday 7th Feb 2011 at 17:02

    It's a shame when you have such a great journalist like Chris sell out to Nintendo. All it does is hurt his reputation, especially since he don't even want defend himself :(

    Couldn't agree more.


    Either that or I didn't expect to still be checking a comments thread on a review that's a few months old now.

    I made my original arguments in both the review and the comments, and they still stand. That doesn't mean I'm biased, so I don't understand how that logic works. It simply means I've said my bit and it's a bit pointless repeating it again. I have my opinion, you have yours, but please don't tell me mine isn't worth anything because of the magazine I happen to write for.


    When you write a review your not going please everyone

  157. RecalledRabbit Monday 7th Feb 2011 at 19:17

    It's a shame when you have such a great journalist like Chris sell out to Nintendo. All it does is hurt his reputation, especially since he don't even want defend himself :(

    Couldn't agree more.


    For goodness sake shut up he is entitled to his opinion like everyone is, and anyway buying the games off the virtual console would cost the same but on it you get worse graphics and no cd and artwork booklet and do you even have mario allstars? and seeing how well chris has sone makes me proud for me to be a fellow Scot

  158. vinnyboiler Tuesday 8th Feb 2011 at 23:33

    It's a shame when you have such a great journalist like Chris sell out to Nintendo. All it does is hurt his reputation, especially since he don't even want defend himself :(

    Couldn't agree more.


    For goodness sake shut up he is entitled to his opinion like everyone is, and anyway buying the games off the virtual console would cost the same but on it you get worse graphics and no cd and artwork booklet and do you even have mario allstars? and seeing how well chris has sone makes me proud for me to be a fellow Scot

    The original SNES version of Super Mario Allstars didn't cost as much as the original NES versions of SMB, SMB2, SMBUSA and SMB3 combined.

    The problem is that this got pretty much the exact same treatment as a virtual console game, just slapped onto a disk. Making Mario's 25th seem like a worthless cheap cash in attempt.

    Nintendo could of just released just the soundtrack CD with the booklet instead. They probably would of done a better job too, seeing as Nintendo couldn't be bothered to include more than ten actual song on it (from a series with over 200 games in it I should add)

    The fact that I also have to drag my SNES out just so the game can fit my screen is annoying. But it is also important information that got left out of this review.

    @ChrisONM, Sorry about my remark about you selling out to Nintendo. I just got a little angry with how you can criticize some ports yet not even comment on the imperfection on this specific port.

  159. slangman Friday 18th Feb 2011 at 15:55

    It's a shame when you have such a great journalist like Chris sell out to Nintendo. All it does is hurt his reputation, especially since he don't even want defend himself :(

    Couldn't agree more.


    Either that or I didn't expect to still be checking a comments thread on a review that's a few months old now.

    I made my original arguments in both the review and the comments, and they still stand. That doesn't mean I'm biased, so I don't understand how that logic works. It simply means I've said my bit and it's a bit pointless repeating it again. I have my opinion, you have yours, but please don't tell me mine isn't worth anything because of the magazine I happen to write for.

    You completely missed the point of my post.

    First off, I respect your opinion in your comments AND the review you wrote. As I said before, the game itself is flawless.

    The reason why other posters, including myself are frustrated, is because while you praised how great the game was, you failed to mention it's shortcomings of how the game is presented.

    Firstly Paying £20 for a SNES game with very few songs on a CD is just taking the micky.

    Secondly, this is a 50Hz only game. Loads of PAL gamers, including myself are frustrated at having to play a game that runs slower than it's NTSC counterpart. This is actually a serious game play fault,that should have been mentioned in the review.

    Congratulations, you have just encouraged Nintendo by saying it's OK to release an poorly PAL converted game. There are already enough problems with this sort of thing on the VC.

    The score should have been lowered just for this.

    The fact that you gave a Mario game a glowing review and ignored it's problems of this anniversary edition, just screams biased to me. Almost like a dodgy salesman giving a warn out car a misleading advert, just to increase the chance of it getting more sales.

  160. paul361 Tuesday 22nd Mar 2011 at 08:08

    I probably won't bother with this as i have the original all stars with mario world on as well. As for youger players this is great for showing off Marios rich history.

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