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Namco Bandai director would love Tales characters to be in Smash Bros Wii U

Yoshito Higuchi will have to beg Sakurai

Tales Of Symphonia's Lloyd Irving is one of the Namco Bandai characters we'd love to see in Smash Bros Wii U and we're not alone. Tales director and producer Yoshito Higuchi would love a Tales character to appear in Smash Bros 4, too

Having said that, Tales producer Makoto Yoshizumi has said Sakurai has the final say over the Smash Bros Wii U character roster.

Yoshizumi said: "Maybe if we beg Sakurai-san, it will happen! I know Higuchi-san would love it, but the decision is Sakurai-san's. I think it's still too early to talk about it."

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Interestingly, he told Kingdom Of Tales that characters can only appear in Smash Bros if they've been in a game on a Nintendo console.

"We need to keep in mind that a character can only appear in a Smash Bros game if he already appeared on a Nintendo console," added Yoshizumi. This is one of the conditions, and many Tales characters do not fulfill it. Of course, some do, like characters from Tales of Symphonia or Tales of the Abyss.

If Tales characters were to appear they could replace Nintendo characters as Sakurai has said that Smash Bros Wii U may not feature more charactersl than were in Smash Bros Brawl.

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  1. TomMc92 Monday 6th Aug 2012 at 08:28

    Hey not to bad i was thinking either a tales or a tekken character would make an apperance. Also thinking of the tales games that were released on a nintendo console wasn't Tales of Grace released on Wii? Only in Japan if im thinking of the right one. Also its silly to say only 2 tales games, as we got years from the next smash bros release we could see another few Tales games released on 3DS or Wii U with a whole range of characters that could appear in smash bros 4.

  2. longjohndevine Monday 6th Aug 2012 at 08:34

    I for one do not want third party characters in Smash Brothers. Otherwise it isn't going to be Smash Brothers!
    They should stick to the template set down by Melee. I still question if Brawl is actually better than Melee.

    I am genuinely worried about the series... why is everyone talking about a change of direction and new characters??

    If it ain't broke don't fix it.

    Would you like Tales Characters to appear in New Super Mario Bros U???

  3. K-tet Monday 6th Aug 2012 at 08:40

    It would be interesting. Perhaps they'll go old-school and, of course if allowed to, include a Tales of Phantasia character in the next Smash. After all, Phantasia was originally released on the Super Famicom.

    Then again, saturating the game with Namco Bandai characters wouldn't be ideal unless they were creating a fully-fledged Nintendo x Namco Bandai crossover fighting game, and I'd rather see Nintendo x Capcom personally if that was the case. Still, any form of speculative discussion is good for the game's potential, whichever way Sakurai chooses to take it. In my opinion, they can't exactly go wrong from Brawl.

  4. Herbert_Rarr Monday 6th Aug 2012 at 08:54

    Never played Tales of the Abyss, so I don't really know. But if Smash Bros. 4 isn't going to have any more characters than Brawl, then I don't want any new ones coming along and taking the place of the classics. I think Sakurai has made a mistake by keeping the amount of characters the same. He's right that a lot of focus needs to be placed on the gameplay, but the characters also give a huge appeal to the game. :idea: They could include new characters, stages, trophies or missions as DLC after release and pay all the attention they want to the gameplay in development. They won't. But we can still dream. :mrgreen:

  5. Skywardwolf23 Monday 6th Aug 2012 at 09:15

    Hmm it would certainly be intresting with Tales in smash bros U. Maybe a some tekken characters. But it's still Sakari choice at the end of the day.

  6. master sword Monday 6th Aug 2012 at 09:25

    well with how much namco are helping with development i'm sure Sakurai would allow them at least one character slot
    I think tales characters would fit quite well, and with how much of a cult hit ToS was, i'd say Lloyd has as good a chance as any

  7. Dertdood Monday 6th Aug 2012 at 09:29

    pretty sure there hadn't mean a metal gear for a nintendo console when snake was in SBB

  8. Latte Monday 6th Aug 2012 at 09:34

    As long as Golden sun gets in...

  9. shy guy 64 Monday 6th Aug 2012 at 09:36

    having never played a tales game im not realey bothered

  10. Kesskuron Monday 6th Aug 2012 at 09:59

    pretty sure there hadn't mean a metal gear for a nintendo console when snake was in SBB

    You mean besides Metal Gear, Snake's Revenge & Twin Snakes

    I'm a little sceptical about this, but I would't be massively upset if a tales character made it in. Having said that, the only Tales character that I can see working would be Lloyd Irving.

  11. MartinIsAwesome Monday 6th Aug 2012 at 10:42

    Oh, c'mon! It's got to happen now! Surely. Just like how everone wanted Sonic in Brawl, Lloyd Irving is the popular choice for inclusion. It doesn't even have to be Lloyd - Sheena Fujibayashi's card based attacks would make her a unique fighter and increase the lady-count, and Kratos and Zelos would be equally awesome.

    pretty sure there hadn't mean a metal gear for a nintendo console when snake was in SBB

    You mean besides Metal Gear, Snake's Revenge & Twin Snakes


    And don't forget Metal Gear Solid on Game Boy.

  12. masamune Monday 6th Aug 2012 at 11:43

    Smash Bros x Tales of Vs?

  13. UnimportantNPC Monday 6th Aug 2012 at 11:58

    I'm cool with everyone on this page, especially pacman. He is such an icon, and it would be fun. For me, It doesn't really matter how he looks. No, I really don't want digimon as a playable character. Please, not digimon. I'm fine with stickers or trophies, but not as a playable character. My major concern is that I don't want there to be to many characters that is not Nintendo's original characters, and they replace some who actually was there in the previous games. Because I thought that the meaning of Smash Bros was to have Nintendo's original characters. Maybe I'm wrong.

  14. shadowlugia101 Monday 6th Aug 2012 at 12:00

    i don't really mind a tales character as long as they only have one, otherwise if you have to many then it will lose the whole spirit of smash bros as being a nintendo fighting game

  15. K-tet Monday 6th Aug 2012 at 13:45

    The general consensus is exactly the same, it's all about balance. Melee had a good level of balance and didn't detract too much from the original N64 version. Brawl on the other hand ripped the rulebook up and concentrated on how to make some existing characters better (e.g. Game & Watch, much better in Brawl than in Melee), and then overcompensated by breaking the balance by adding in more 'variant clones' (yes Wolf, I'm looking at you in particular, you too Dedede), and dumbing down some of the others (such as Mario, FLUDD did nothing). I'm sure there will be plenty of people that say Brawl was a better game than Melee, but to me, it was far worse, though some of the new characters (such as Pit, Wario & Diddy Kong) were warmly received

    What they need to do is concentrate on getting the content like Brawl, with the style similar to Melee, and include some more classic characters that aren't going to be clones of existing ones. If however they want to add a few more Third-Party characters to the game. then let them. Snake and Sonic were interesting (although the former's lethal when used properly), but balance is key.

    Also, working netplay would be brilliant too. Brawl's didn't work (unless you lived in America, Japan, or somewhere like Sweden where internet speeds are stupidly fast)!

  16. King-X Monday 6th Aug 2012 at 14:13

    I for one do not want third party characters in Smash Brothers. Otherwise it isn't going to be Smash Brothers!


    Too bad, Smash Bros has always had third party developers involved. Ness hails from Earthbound and whereas Nintendo were part of that game's development they weren't so exclusively. HAL Laboratory (and others) played a big part and the same is the case for Kirby.

    Pokemon was developed by Game Freak and is simply published by Nintendo, and yet you approve Melee which features Mewtwo and Pokemon Trainer.

    Nintendo themselves do not create a great deal of first party characters that I would consider good candidates for Smash Bros beyond what have already been on the roster. Unless they introduce enough fresh ideas they will be increasingly dependent on other parties for new characters should they wish for Smash Bros not to get stale. Quite frankly even out of some of their already existing characters on the roster, many of them are pretty much clones, combat-wise (eg; - Ganondorf + Captain Falcon).

    Besides you're effectively saying Smash Bros. Brawl isn't a Smash Bros game either because Snake and Sonic are in it. As Smash Bros is created by Nintendo it's for them alone to specify what qualifies as part of the Smash Bros er... spirit. As the puritan code has already been broken I see no need to continue to hold to it (though I didn't like the inclusion of Snake and Sonic either as they were typically remembered as hailing from other platforms).

    Now it is to Namco Bandai's advantage to have Tales represented in Smash Bros as that would be just the break they need in order to evolve the franchise out of the niche sector. (It worked for Kid Icarus!) As NB are already involved with co-developing it is unreasonable to prohibit them from getting any of their own characters into the game.

    Now as far as the announcement is concerned it's pretty much what I expected and I'm content with that. I agree if any NB characters get into the game they should be ones from a Nintendo platform. This is why Tales of Symphonia is the best candidate. If they want to throw in someone from Tales of the Abyss though, I would prefer Colonel Jade for his interesting range of attacks and very witty personality.

  17. pokemaster123 Monday 6th Aug 2012 at 14:40

    I for one do not want third party characters in Smash Brothers. Otherwise it isn't going to be Smash Brothers!
    They should stick to the template set down by Melee. I still question if Brawl is actually better than Melee.

    I am genuinely worried about the series... why is everyone talking about a change of direction and new characters??

    If it ain't broke don't fix it.

    Would you like Tales Characters to appear in New Super Mario Bros U???


    I completely agree... I mean.... Why would we want 3rd party characters taking over Nintedo's Game?! I think it's incredibly stupid for them to add more 3rd party characters... I can think of far better Nintendo characters to be in it to be perfectly honest..... K.Rool.... Ghiriam....Geno....Vaati... Please Sakuri...please do not let (too many) 3rd party characters in YOUR Game...and if you do... increase the roster to compensate for the fans who are happier with pure nintendo characters :)

  18. King-X Monday 6th Aug 2012 at 14:44

    Just for the record I do agree that Nintendo needs to remain dominant. Having a whole load of characters from non-Nintendo games, drowning out the first-party ones into insignificance is not the answer! Pretty much a no-brainer, I'm sure we agree that much... And perhaps any they do use should remain on a special guest basis and not be in game to game like Nintendo's own mascots. Something along Soul Calibur lines perhaps...

  19. Herbert_Rarr Monday 6th Aug 2012 at 15:09

    By the way, is there an official or largely used forum for Super Smash Bros. Wii U and/or 3DS?

  20. shy guy 64 Monday 6th Aug 2012 at 15:59

    I for one do not want third party characters in Smash Brothers. Otherwise it isn't going to be Smash Brothers!


    Too bad, Smash Bros has always had third party developers involved. Ness hails from Earthbound and whereas Nintendo were part of that game's development they weren't so exclusively. HAL Laboratory (and others) played a big part and the same is the case for Kirby.

    Pokemon was developed by Game Freak and is simply published by Nintendo, and yet you approve Melee which features Pokemon Trainer.

    hal lab and game freak are second party companies not third party

  21. masamune Monday 6th Aug 2012 at 16:07

    the games they develop still aren't developed by Ninendo though, they merely have an exclusivity contract

  22. HyrulianToad Monday 6th Aug 2012 at 16:28

    I was happy with the brawl 3rd party characters but a tales character in a smash bros game feels out of place to me . Stick pac-man in there and leave it at that . Oh and for gods sake don't put put a Tekken character in there !

  23. King-X Monday 6th Aug 2012 at 16:39

    hal lab and game freak are second party companies not third party


    Ah, nitpicking the word "third". I appreciate the correction there but as masamune has confirmed, that has no bearing on the initial point that they are not Nintendo. Second-party being okay but not third-party, that's a whole other discussion - and I think we can all predict it would go nowhere. Now you see I could argue that NB co-developing the next installment would render NB entries as first-party and so there's not much to argue about really...

    In the end our petty personal opinions on who counts will probably have little impact; it's for Sakurai to make the call and we'll have to like it or lump it either way. Whatever party characters we wind up with, it'll take an effective one indeed to divert my main from being Pitt.

    I'm convinced if they include a Tales character it'll be Lloyd Irving and I'm not too keen on him. I'd happily rain down fire and brimstone as Rita Mordio - being just about the best mage ever in the series, but I don't think much of her chances having only been seen on PS360. I already gave my approval for Pacman in another article.

    In the meantime the news that Higuchi is up for it is personal satisfaction enough for now.

  24. shy guy 64 Monday 6th Aug 2012 at 18:40

    hal lab and game freak are second party companies not third party


    Ah, nitpicking the word "third". I appreciate the correction there but as masamune has confirmed, that has no bearing on the initial point that they are not Nintendo. Second-party being okay but not third-party, that's a whole other discussion

    well i believe they share the rights with nintendo so they are technically nintendo

    i cant say for sure about all the second party franchises but with pokemon nintendo still own some of the rights

  25. King-X Monday 6th Aug 2012 at 18:57

    Yeah, I had been trying to revise stuff about rights for my earlier posts but Wikipedia was down and the other sources weren't looking great either. (It's back now though.)

  26. K-tet Monday 6th Aug 2012 at 19:06

    Now you see I could argue that NB co-developing the next installment would render Tales entries as first-party and so there's not much to argue about really...

    Correct. Any crossover game where their own characters have featured class as 'first-party' characters. Kingdom Hearts uses all first-party characters from both Square and Disney for example, likewise any Capcom VS SNK game (whether Capcom OR SNK developed either). If any Namco Bandai character were to exist in this edition of Smash, seeing as they're co-developing the game via an exclusive Nintendo contract, for this purpose, they would be first-party characters. Companies also do this in Japan with a lease or contract to stop 'licensing' issues, however, the agreement is only legal and valid in Japan and not elsewhere (e.g. Super Robot Wars, although OG is permitted as it uses original mechs).

    To clear up any confusion, a second-party company is an external company in which a parent company has bought shares into them, allowing them to develop games using their own IP and the parent company's (such as Nintendo did with Rare before Microsoft bought them out, similarly, Microsoft with Rare now). An external company created by a parent company to develop exclusively for their system (e.g. Intelligent Systems, responsible for Fire Emblem and Puzzle League) is considered first-party, as is a company that has an agreed right to the parent company's IP and as such is allowed to create software in relation to that IP for release on that parent company's hardware (e.g. Retro Studios). HAL Labs is a subsidiary of Nintendo, thus is second-party. Game Freak currently create games exclusively for Nintendo via a contract and as such is second-party. They were actually a third-party developer prior to Pokémon even though the majority of their games were released on Nintendo platforms (Pulseman anyone?), but Pokémon is pretty much wholly owned by Nintendo as a recognised Nintendo franchise.

    Sorry for taking this off-topic, just wanted to clear this up. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong in any way. =w=;

  27. SonyX Tuesday 7th Aug 2012 at 09:43

    I was happy with the brawl 3rd party characters but a tales character in a smash bros game feels out of place to me . Stick pac-man in there and leave it at that . Oh and for gods sake don't put put a Tekken character in there !


    are you mad?! pacman,namco have completly ruined pacman,he's ment to be seven eights of a circle not the rubbish m&m he is now HE BETTER NOT BE IN THE NEXT SMASH BROS.! :x

  28. King-X Tuesday 7th Aug 2012 at 13:11

    Incidentally I gather Sony are considering putting a Tales character in Allstars Battle Royale (Sony's answer to Smash Bros). It's predicted if they do it'll be Yuri from Tales of Vesperia as he's popular.

  29. Fantisima Friday 7th Dec 2012 at 15:17

    The heck!?
    Tales characters would fit in Smash, P E R F E C T L Y. (no weirder than Snake was//but he was still cool)
    Pacman would be the one out of place, :roll:

    Personally I would LOVE to see Kratos (Aurion) in SSB4, But Lloyd works for me too.
    ~Please Mr. Sakurai, Make it happen!! :D


    On another note; I think you're all misunderstanding what Sakurai-san meant by the roster comment.

    His statement was about how he wanted to make drastic changes to the series.

    EX: Think of it as PKMN, Every new game follows the same formula as the last, only with a new generation of pkmn
    In other words: "it's still basically the same game"

    He's saying that Just adding a bunch of new characters won't justify releasing a new installment to Smash.
    If he adds too many characters (+ along with clones) it unbalances the roster.

    So it's not exactly that he's intent on shortening the roster, ..just getting rid of unnecessary filler(clone) characters (which in consequence ~could~ lead to a shorter roster than Brawl.

    As in; Why have Wolf, when we already have Falco & Fox? Wolf's slot could go to a completely new character.


    Hope I didn't make it more confusing. ^^;;;

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