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Smash Bros characters who need to be dropped for Wii U and 3DS

Introducing the least popular Smash Bros characters

8. Ness

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What? One of the original 12 should be removed? Well, if you consider that Ness was considered to be an obscure choice back in 1999, it is perhaps more of a surprise that he is still hanging around.

Around these parts, Ness is arguably better known for his appearances in Smash Bros, Melee and Brawl than in his own game. After all, Earthbound, the SNES RPG that Ness is famous for was never released in the UK. Having been released in the US way back in 1995, it's pretty old too.

So despite being able to attack opponents with an electric yo-yo, he's perhaps not the most popular of Smash Bros characters because he's not as famous as the others. Maybe that's why you want rid. That and the fact that he wears a cap sideways like a member of EMF. Well, he is a relic from the 1990s.

ONM forum member mikurotoro clearly isn't an Earthbound fan: "Ness and Lucas are by far the suckiest fighters in Brawl, their recoveries suck, they need to go! The only reason they are in Smash Bros is because all the Earthbound fans begged for them to be put in."

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  1. DeadlyCreature Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 14:45

    I love the Ice Climbers in Brawl, and I'm pretty useful with them too. I hope they stay!

  2. cubazoid Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 14:47

    I can't believe you could do this to the Ice Climbers; they are my favourite characters!!! I love their moves, and the fact there is two of them is great. And R.O.B is my second favourite :evil:

  3. Tom Nook Rules Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 14:47

    i think ness should go bu not lucas. Lucas is definitely the character im best with

  4. Starman64O Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 15:02

    I don't entirely agree of getting rid of Ness and Lucas. Get rid of one, because they're clones, but not both!
    Its clones that are the problem. Get rid of them, but unique-ify the ones who should stay. Ganondorf is a clone of Captain falcon, but he's the Big Bad! He has to stay. Wolf and Falco on the other hand, no.

  5. Herbert_Rarr Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 15:04

    How can you get rid of Sonic?! I played as him all the time in Brawl and, although his move-set wasn't perfect, I would be thoroughly disappointed if he doesn't make it int the Wii U game.

  6. hamzahdsi Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 15:13

    Previously i said Toon Link, but now that i think about it, i sa we should be adding more characters and refrain from removing others. So what if we have thirty odd characters on the charcter menu, it gives more of a variety.

  7. benandarchie Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 15:19

    Agree with all of them apart from lucario he's awesome!! :P

  8. Commandervideo Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 15:20

    I've never played Earthbound or Mother 3 but I know that they should definatly not get rid of Ness.
    Smash Bros won't be the same without his legendary shout "PK THUNDER!" :D

  9. Murphy11 Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 15:26

    NOT R.O.B!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 :twisted:

    I Love R.O.B

  10. Lego master Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 15:28

    Olimar? Maybe being replaced for one of the new characters in Pikmin 3, but olimar is a very strategic character to use, and a lot of fun!

  11. Demon Bowler Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 15:33

    if i got rid of any of the characters were removed i would say have them as alternate costumes like lucas as a costume for Ness, wolf as a costume for fox.

  12. HyrulianToad Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 15:35

    Personally I never used him in brawl but oil mar will stay in because of pikmin 3

  13. TomMc92 Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 15:40

    Out of all of them Snake, Lucario and Olimar are my favorites also just because the moves don't harm others dosen't mean they arnt useful. Anyway moves shouldn't matter as long as your good with a character you can handle it. Snake was a great addition to the brawl roster doesn't matter if his moves were weapons what else could he use? Also if he was to appear in the next smash bros i'd like to see old snake or at least and alt outfit for young and old snake, maybe even a big boss outfit if we're lucky. I played the game so much i played with pretty much everyone but non more than Snake, i just really like Metal Gear and to have him in the game was just amazing also even if he was in the next game i'll still really like playing as him the magic won't be lost. As for Lucario it's fair enough to take him out as i did really enjoy playing as him but i agree each game should have new pokemon to play as, however why choose from black and white for a new character when the game is years off release and we'll no doubt see another pokemon game out by then too, with plenty more pokemon to choose from. I wouldn't mind a stage from black and white and some pokeballs assits would be great too. I do agree jigglypuff needs to go the worst hidden character in game history never have i been so dissapointed, when i first unlocked it in melee. Finally Olimar i really didn't like him at first but he grew on me, his move set might be silly but how else is how supposed to pick pikmin, that only makes the game fair, i see no right to complain about that. I can agree to get rid of him just replace him with one of the new characters on Pikmin 3. As for the clones i really didn't mind them apart from wolf who was pushing it.

  14. mushroomchow Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 15:51

    Used to hate Jigglypuff, but she is badass if you learn how to use Rest properly. A guaranteed 1HKO.

  15. Kirby8 Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 15:52

    we should be adding more characters and refrain from removing others. So what if we have thirty odd characters on the charcter menu, it gives more of a variety.

    We are not talking about removing characters to decrease the roster size. We are talking about removing characters to replace them with others who might provide more value.

    As for the clones i really didn't mind them apart from wolf who was pushing it.

    I don't mind clones that much. The move set might be similar but the character is different. And it's fun to play someone else. The problem is, Sakurai doesn't want to increase the size of the roster, but wants to change it up. So clones need to be the first to go to make space for some new ones that provide more value.

  16. dunc247 Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 16:00

    If you know how to use Ness...

  17. shadowlugia101 Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 16:10

    toon link isn't on here!? seriously? the most ridiculous and pointless clone smash bros has ever seen, his moves were exactly the same as links, the only difference were some weired cartoony graphics that didn't look right with the game, the biggest waste of a slot on smash bros if i ever saw one

  18. shy guy 64 Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 16:14

    i dont think its to likely that they'll remove ice climbers, ness, lucas or olimar but i can see them removing wolf and ike

    and odds are low on snake and sonic but thats cause the're 3rd party characters

  19. skyluigi Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 16:17

    Ice Climbers, Olimar, Lucas, Ness, R.O.B and Jigglypuff should stay, they're all decent characters.
    Sonic, Wolf and Lucario though; I really couldn't care less if they all 'mysteriously vanished'.

  20. Kirby8 Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 16:18

    I agree with parts of the list. Jigglypuff needs to go. Pointless character that provides little value and a bad move set. Was a popular character before due to the anime and games, but those days are gone and it's time to make some space. First character that comes to mind to remove.
    I agree that Lucario should be removed to make space for a newer character. Only makes sense. Mewtwo was removed to make space for Lucario, so the same should be done again.
    Clones need to disappear. I don't think both Ness and Lucas should go, but one should. And since Ness was here first and I quite like him, he should stay. Wolf should leave too.
    I personally never play with Ice Climbers and think they are quite annoying to play with. But seems like people here like them. And it is good to have a retro feel.
    One that wasn't mentioned here was Toon Link. I think he's quite clone like so maybe he should leave.
    Olimar is a bit of a weak character IMO, but if he's removed, then there will be no one from Pikmin...so maybe just make him better.

  21. hamzahdsi Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 16:18

    we should be adding more characters and refrain from removing others. So what if we have thirty odd characters on the charcter menu, it gives more of a variety.

    We are not talking about removing characters to decrease the roster size. We are talking about removing characters to replace them with others who might provide more value.


    I know, but why not keep them? And add characters on top? E.g. Their might actually be hundreds of people in the world who love playing as Yoshi and would hate to see him go. So, instead of removing characters, just keep adding.

  22. Kirby8 Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 16:19

    toon link isn't on here!? seriously? the most ridiculous and pointless clone smash bros has ever seen, his moves were exactly the same as links, the only difference were some weired cartoony graphics that didn't look right with the game, the biggest waste of a slot on smash bros if i ever saw one

    You beat me to the comment. I was still typing mine and you posted. Damn you! =P
    I'm surprised he wasn't mentioned too. He is pretty much a clone, and they need to go.

  23. Tamzily01 Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 16:22

    If you know how to use Ness...

    That's generally why people dislike him. He's a very technical character, especially when it comes to mastering his PK Thunder recovery. Then again, a lot of the characters on this list are ones that require a lot of SKILL to use properly, like Olimar and Jigglypuff.

  24. BOWIEtheHERO Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 16:23

    Snake was on the NES before PSone.
    He has as much of a right as MegaMan (even though MegaMan would be preferable :P)

    Metal Gear Solid is the third game in the franchise.
    Metal Gear, and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake on the NES feature the man himself, I'm quite sad to see you didn't know this :/

    *sigh*

  25. Kirby8 Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 16:23

    We are not talking about removing characters to decrease the roster size. We are talking about removing characters to replace them with others who might provide more value.


    I know, but why not keep them? And add characters on top? E.g. Their might actually be hundreds of people in the world who love playing as Yoshi and would hate to see him go. So, instead of removing characters, just keep adding.

    We would all like to see more characters simply added. But, like I said in the rest of my comment, Sakurai isn't going to do that. He has already stated that the roster size is big enough as it is a long time ago. And everyone, including me, was disappointed that they aren't going to increase the size and add more. But that is what is going to happen, so we need to start looking at who needs to be cut to make some more space.

  26. Pyron12 Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 16:34

    Someone tell me why King Dedede isn't on the list!
    HIS FINAL SMASH IS THE MOST ANNOYING IN HISTORY!

  27. Shmilly Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 16:34

    I agree with all of these really, though I can't see Olimar going with Pikmin 3 being a launch title for Wii U.

  28. Deoxys0125 Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 16:36

    I'm not the biggest fan of Pokemon Trainer. Don't get me wrong, the novelty of having him there is awesome, and the fact that he's effectively three characters and three separate move-sets at the same time is pretty awesome; but I just don't tend to play as him. No particular reason that I can think of off the top of my head, he's just probably one of my least favourites to play as.

  29. Kirby8 Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 16:39

    If you know how to use Ness...

    That's generally why people dislike him. He's a very technical character, especially when it comes to mastering his PK Thunder recovery. Then again, a lot of the characters on this list are ones that require a lot of SKILL to use properly, like Olimar and Jigglypuff.

    TBH, I'm surprised Ness is on here. I think Lucas, as a clone, needs to go. But Ness should stay. He's quite a good character. I play as him every now and then and my cousin always plays as him. It'll suck to see him go.

  30. Darkblizz Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 16:40

    I was one of the ones who nominated Jigglypuff and I'm sticking with that choice.

  31. DynamicPunch202 Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 16:47

    I'm pretty confident that Lucario will go. He was the replacement for Mewtwo and he'll end up getting replaced by Zoroark or something. I love Lucario and I really hate to say it but that's how it works. Also, I'm amazed Toon Link wasn't up there. He is exactly the same moves as Link. The only real difference, so far as I could tell, was that he was easier to knock off the stage. And Gannondorf has to go. He was a worse clone of Captain Falcon (which gets on my nerves because I really like Captain Falcon) and he's so slow. Seriously Nintendo, you should replace him with a more popular villain like Ghirahim.

  32. Lumpyspaceprince Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 16:50

    I agree only with wolf, jigglypuff and lucario. Smash bros. is a game that celebrates all nintendo charecters and its long history so it would be a dam stupid move to remove some charecters. Ness for example. In brawl I love it how they dont only show nintendo "famous side"(Mario,Zelda...) but a more obscure side like chibi-robo or golden sun. Just because Ness hasnt appeared in a popular game that doesn't mean that he should be totally ignored! I love Mario and Zelda but nintendo has so many other great games! There are people who say bad things about nintendo that its only mario and zelda, but if Ness and ROB and Ice Climbers are left in then they will be proven wrong!!! It doesnt matter if its "a clone" or "unessecary" people forget that smash bros is about all things nintendo so we need the REAL nintendo not only nintendo succsessful side!

  33. S0raBuzz Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 16:51

    The only decision I'm really against is R.O.B. I never lost a battle with that guy, granted my strategy was just to spin around non-stop until I won but nevertheless I won and yeah he's not great IRL but he's a cute little addition to the game. Leave him in!

  34. QuicksilverONM Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 16:51

    Mr Game & Watch needs to go.
    He was just a novelty character...

    I used Sonic the most of all characters... I don't see why he shouldn't go.

    Plus, he isn't any less relevant than he was back when Brawl came out

  35. ShadowofPain Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 16:53

    Hmm let's see. How bout NONE of them get the boot. Honestly, who has the right to say "this character is dumb and should be removed". It's a poor mentality. You may dislike a character, but plenty of other people may love them. People were annoyed when the 5 characters in Melee were removed. Removing brings nothing good.

    This list is asinine and shouldn't exist.

  36. PokerusZero Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 17:08

    Agree with most of these except for Ice Climbers and Lucario. All the clones should go, there's no point there being a different character with actually the same moves as another. They should make way for new characters with new moves like Dillon :D

  37. Theyoshiboy123 Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 17:16

    I think Lucas, jigglypuff, R.O.B, and lucario should go! Lucario is kinda old and should be replaced by another great pokemon, R.O.B just sucks anyway so he should leave, jigglypuff is old now and i think she isn't a good fighter, if you try to triple jump she stars to sing and falls of the edge LOL, and finally lucas, he is kinda good but not as good as ness lucas needs to leave greater character could replace him, such as waluigi or roy :mrgreen:

  38. callum2003 Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 17:26

    Nooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!! Not my jiggly!

  39. ARWING64 Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 17:28

    Rob should stay, Wolf should stay, Sonic should stay, Olimar should stay, Lucas should stay; in fact WHY GET RID OF ANY CHARACTERS! These might be people's favourites; add more, change move-sets don't get rid of characters

  40. VinceLovesToast Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 17:32

    i think lucas and wolf i am a major pokemon fan but lucario probably will be replaced with zoroark remember aswell that pokemon ruby and saphire remakes will be out before this game so pokemon trainer should have the hoenn starters

  41. C00LI098 Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 17:37

    I agree with all of these, except Lucario.

    Ideally, the characters would never be removed.

  42. RaidingRaichu Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 17:44

    Yes, to everything but Olimar. All they need to do is tweak his moveset a bit..

  43. Dan-the-Wii-man Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 18:06

    R.O.B should go he's just some random peripheral from over 20 years ago! I dont think olimar should go, but he should be made usable at least... Diddy Kong should also go/be made better

  44. Pichu4SSB4 Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 18:10

    I have a HUGE problem with this list, it seriously lacks knowledge about the characters you guys are underestimating. So i'll give you a piece of my mind on this awful list.

    10. Ice Climbers
    Sure they haven't had another single game since 1985, but you guys are forgetting that the Smash developers are hugely interested in giving retro characters a revamp. Look what happened with Pit, he got a new game ever since his installment in the NES days. Not to mention Sakurai just confirmed that more retro characters are coming to Smash 4. So your argument aginst Ice Climbers has a huge flaw. And their moves are NOT bad, their metagame has been doing pretty well in Melee and Brawl. They have always been in high tier. Their jumping sounds are irritating? Your argument is irritating.

    9. Snake
    You just said it, Snake made his debut on a Nintendo console. Where he got his biggest reputation from, doesn't really matter. He originated in a video game, on a Nintendo console. Two most noticable rules Sakurai has for character consinderation. Snake should not go anywhere.

    8. Ness
    You have to be s**tting me with this one, Ness has been in since the SSB64 days and he has no reason to be dropped. You're right about him having a bigger reputation because of the Smash Bros games instead of his own game Earthbound. But that's a good thing, it's keeping the spirit of that long and forgotten game alive. A lot of people like Ness, and his series is popular in Japan. And that's a huge advantage, they don't give a s**t what you guys think. There is a fair amount of Mother fans in the western as well, explain Starmen.net. They even recently got recognizion from the creator of the series himself, Shigesato Itoi. Heck, even in Europe theres people who love Mother. And the games never even came out here officially. Also, mikurotoro is f**king stupid. Ness and Lucas wasn't in Brawl only because fans "begged", Lucas' game Mother 3 was released around the time Brawl was being developed so that made Lucas the rep for Mother 3. Ness AND Lucas should stay.

    7. Sonic
    Friendship is better than rivalry, hence why Nintendo and Sega are better together. Sonic's rivalry with Mario is what made his debut in Brawl so awesome, people could FINALLY see the two fight each other in an official video game. But of course, there are still those arrogant fanboys (you, Thomas) who doesn't want him in because your opinions on non-Nintendo stars seems to be pretty damn arrogant. Sonic needs to stay, and while we're add it. Add more non-Nintendo stars to add more variety to the roster.

    6. R.O.B
    Your argument on R.O.B here doesn't even make any sense. You're just comparing his Smash Bros fighter to his real life product counter part. Pretty stupid reason not to include him. Not to mention he's the reason NES was able to ship to America because the industry saw the NES as a "toy" rather than a "console", something that was dying out during the crash. So R.O.B does not deserve to get freaking removed, pull your head out of your ass, Thomas.

    5. Olimar
    Okay he's not useless, seriously have you even heard of the damn TIER LIST? It describes the metagame of every character and Olimar right now is consindered one of the best characters. Olimar might not be in Pikmin 3, but that's not a reason to scratch him. It's very likely Sakurai would do this, but i don't support it. Olimar is the FACE of the Pikmin franchise, so keep him in,

    4. Lucas
    Look at my explanation on Ness.

    3. Lucario
    While i was disappointed that this guy made it instead of Mewtwo in Brawl. I don't think he should be removed. Especially not with Zoroark. I'm sick of seeing current-gen Pokemon get put in, and completely overshadow the classic Pokemons who pretty much made what Pokemon is today. Keep Lucario.

    2. Wolf
    Wolf isn't a minor character in the StarFox games. And the roster needs more villains. Also why do you seem to hate clone characters so much? Just because someone is a clone in the previous game doesn't mean they need to be in the next one. You guys are way too simple minded. Much can be done with Wolf that differ him from Fox, and therefore he should stay.

    1. Jigglypuff
    Stupid choice, just idiotic. She's one of the original 12 from Smash AND original 151 Pokemons. Two strikes against your argument already, and her sleeping move is not freaking useless. It's called mindgames, and Smash games has always had it's share of mindgame moves such as Falcon Punch and Fox's Reflector. You just need to time it right, and the attack is pretty powerfull. But you probably suck at it, Thomas. KEEP JIGGLYPUFF!!!

    So yeah, that sums up my arguments against this pathetic excuse for a list. You really need to think through before you make another list like this before you ARE in fact going to get s**t tons of criticism. Have a good day.

  45. SonyX Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 18:27

    i agree wth wolf,ice climbers and jigglypuff,but not the others and espeacialy not ness and sonic!

  46. TJ Hiphop Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 18:46

    I'd like to see Ice Climbers, Rob and Jigglypuff to stay. Whilst Jigglypuff is not a particularly good character, when in the right hands it can be more deadly, the sleeping move causes massive damage to those in a small range. As it is, the novelty and uniqueness of Jiggly's moveset is still enough to keep her in imo.

  47. Fubz Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 19:04

    Ice climbers are pretty awesome, especially because you could duel-wield items :D nothing more annoying than having 2 fans and spamming the A button.

  48. Tazer_Silverscar Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 19:18

    I agree with some of them, but not all. Lucario will be replaced because he's not that popular, even though I loved playing him because he worked really well for the gameplay. However, replacing him with Zoroark makes little sense, as Zoroark's illusions are unlikely to be easy to integrate. Jigglypuff doesn't need to go, really. Her(?) effects just need to be upped a bit. But I found if anything, she's as dangerous to go against as Kirby, due to her Roll-out and easy recovery. From a tactical point of veiw she's as much a fighter as any other.

    I agree with ShadowLugia101 that Toon Link has to go, as he makes little sense being there. He has no unique abilities, even though he should do - like giving him the wind waker so he can slow down opponents.

    I don't entirely agree of getting rid of Ness and Lucas. Get rid of one, because they're clones, but not both!


    I'd keep Ness because he's more well known than Lucas, and he's the most awesome baseball bat user!

    Its clones that are the problem. Get rid of them, but unique-ify the ones who should stay. Ganondorf is a clone of Captain falcon, but he's the Big Bad! He has to stay. Wolf and Falco on the other hand, no.
    I agree. Ganondorf needs a new move-set to differentiate himself from Captain Falcon. His Final Smash sucks too.

    How can you get rid of Sonic?! I played as him all the time in Brawl and, although his move-set wasn't perfect, I would be thoroughly disappointed if he doesn't make it int the Wii U game.


    I enjoyed Sonic too, but as you said, he's not much of a fighter due to his move-set.

    Someone tell me why King Dedede isn't on the list!
    HIS FINAL SMASH IS THE MOST ANNOYING IN HISTORY!


    One word: PIT. Get rid of him first!

    I'm not the biggest fan of Pokemon Trainer.


    He's a nice character from a tactical point of view due to his variation of attack. My only gripe is that Ivysaur only has one recovery move, while Charizard (as far as I know) has none. Squirtle has two. Now, am I right in saying they missed a chance to use Charizard's WINGS? I know he's heavy, but that's a disgrace.

    Ghirahim.


    Maybe. He could summon Demise as his final smash =)
    Although there's a few teleporters already, so maybe having Demise be the replacement woul be better. WITH HIS SWORD. How many people were begging for Ganondorf to actually use his sword >.<

    So yeah, that sums up my arguments against this pathetic excuse for a list. You really need to think through before you make another list like this before you ARE in fact going to get s**t tons of criticism. Have a good day.


    Please, learn some manners. You can explain your arguments without peppering it with swearwords and trying to belittle Tom as though he deserves it.

  49. LavaTwilight Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 19:32

    Let me sum up...
    Jigglypuff and Ness should stay because they are two of the original twelve. Jigglypuff is a 'novelty' character. S/he's not meant to be taken so seriously. I don't think Olimar should go either but I think his moves could do with a bloody good tweak! As for the others, let them go. They've had their time in the spotlight now it's time for them to gracefully stand aside.

    I'd like to see some more third party characters like Pacman but Snake especially should go... maybe sonic can stay due to the rivalry between him and mario. On the same note Lucario and the Poketrainer should DEF go and two new pokemon come in. Honestly, I'd also like to see Wario go! I can't stand him and I wish he had never been introduced to SSB in the first place! If you wana talk about a waste of a character slot then HE is it!

  50. Pichu4SSB4 Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 19:36


    Please, learn some manners. You can explain your arguments without peppering it with swearwords and trying to belittle Tom as though he deserves it.

    Is that the only premise you saw in my comment? I barely used any swearwords. Although i do realise the comment was angry spirited. But i suppose i got it out of my system. You can't really say i didn't make strong points with my arguments, despite the swearing.

  51. LavaTwilight Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 19:38

    O yeah and Toon Link should go. Young link left and they should have never considered toon link as an option! Keep Ganondorf (maybe if they bring back the final smash he can transform into Ganon?) but Ghirahim should replace the link clones. Not as a link clone. I just don't want to see another link clone again!

    And I also agree to 'unique-ify' the moves. Luigi should be the biggest clone of them all! But he's not... he's got his own individual moves. Why can't the others :?:

  52. Tamzily01 Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 19:59

    O yeah and Toon Link should go. Young link left and they should have never considered toon link as an option! Keep Ganondorf (maybe if they bring back the final smash he can transform into Ganon?) but Ghirahim should replace the link clones. Not as a link clone. I just don't want to see another link clone again!

    And I also agree to 'unique-ify' the moves. Luigi should be the biggest clone of them all! But he's not... he's got his own individual moves. Why can't the others :?:

    Luigi is justifiable since he's Mario's brother. Therefore it only makes sense they have similar moves.

  53. LBDNytetrayn Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 21:12

    I disagree with the need to remove characters as well. Everyone is someone's favorite, and if we really want to talk about competitiveness and balances, that generally just leads to "Fox only, no items, Final Destination."

    Ice Climbers and R.O.B. are two of the ones I'd least like to see gone; in fact, I really wish Sakurai would work the same magic he did for Kid Icarus and do something new with the Ice Climbers.

    Lucario I could see going simply because he was a replacement for Mewtwo, just as Ike replaced Roy. I doubt either will stay, likely replaced by the new Flavor of the Generation, so to speak.

    Snake and Sonic, I'd like to keep around as well, as I had fun with them. Like many others, they weren't my mains (well, Sonic sometimes would be), but I still liked the variety in using them. Of course, as third-party characters, I wouldn't be surprised if they were one-and-done.

    Between Ness and Lucas, I think one should stay. Or, ditch both and bring in Ninten!

    Olimar could use some refinement, perhaps, but I enjoy his inclusion... though if he's not in Pikmin 3, I could see him being replaced by one of the new guys.

    Jigglypuff... alright, I'll admit it: My heart won't break if he's cut.

    As someone said, though, the problem seems to be clones. In a case like Lucas and Ness, I wouldn't mind one being a costume-swap for another-- provided that they changed the name and soundbytes, too. It's like Peach and her Daisy outfit-- it would be a lot more fun if she sounded like and was called Daisy, even if her moves were the same.

    Ditto for Wolf and Falco. Ganondorf just needs an original move set.

    But in the end, I don't see the need to cull characters just to make room for others... especially on the Wii U. Shouldn't its capacity be bigger in the first place? And I wouldn't expect the roster to differ somewhat between the Nintendo 3DS and Wii U versions... though it might be neat if-- should they really decide to cut some of the roster out-- some characters were unique to one or the other...

    O yeah and Toon Link should go. Young link left and they should have never considered toon link as an option! Keep Ganondorf (maybe if they bring back the final smash he can transform into Ganon?) but Ghirahim should replace the link clones. Not as a link clone. I just don't want to see another link clone again!

    And I also agree to 'unique-ify' the moves. Luigi should be the biggest clone of them all! But he's not... he's got his own individual moves. Why can't the others :?:

    Luigi is justifiable since he's Mario's brother. Therefore it only makes sense they have similar moves.

    I think they should ditch F.L.U.D.D. and give Luigi the Poltergust, quite honestly. Luigi's used that thing in some form or fashion more than Mario has with his, and F.L.U.D.D. is useless besides, and takes away one of Mario's good moves.

  54. Commandervideo Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 21:56

    Smash bros. is a game that celebrates all nintendo characters and its long history so it would be a dam stupid move to remove some charecters.

    Lumpyspaceprince pretty much sums up why they shouldn't get rid of the characters mentioned in the article.
    Why get rid of them when you can improve them?

  55. ProtoKun Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 23:13

    Kinda disapointed to see a list with so many original characters and yet clones aren't chosen. Why leave Falco, Toon Link and Ganondorf considering they are pretty much clones with nothing new to offer. Sure they should be developed and given a new moveset, but that would be the same as pointing a development on characters that were chosen to be dropped.

    I'd say almost every character in Smash Bros is a fan favourite of so many, many people out there, and it's kind of interesting how my favourites (Sonic, Lucario, Lucas and Ice Climbers) are in this list. Honestly, nobody needs to be dropped (not even R.O.B.), but many need to be thought of. The more the merrier, and this is a mascot fighting game.

  56. Kirby8 Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 23:41

    Hmm let's see. How bout NONE of them get the boot. Honestly, who has the right to say "this character is dumb and should be removed". It's a poor mentality. You may dislike a character, but plenty of other people may love them. People were annoyed when the 5 characters in Melee were removed. Removing brings nothing good.

    This list is asinine and shouldn't exist.

    Rob should stay, Wolf should stay, Sonic should stay, Olimar should stay, Lucas should stay; in fact WHY GET RID OF ANY CHARACTERS! These might be people's favourites; add more, change move-sets don't get rid of characters

    I disagree with the need to remove characters as well.

    People, you seem to be missing the point. Ideally, we would all like to see all the characters stay. All we really want is for new characters to come and make the roster bigger. BUT, Sakurai stayed some time back that the size of the roster is fine! Whether he meant due to the size of the disc, or just generally as to not have a massive roster, we don't know. It's probably the latter as the disc size should only get bigger for the Wii U, but maybe they have plans for that extra capacity and so don't want to increase the roster too. I don't know. We all disagreed with it. All the comments, including mine, were of sadness about this, as it means the only way to get new characters is to chuck out some old ones. But, we can't keep dwelling on that. The fact is the roster isn't going to get bigger. And, naturally, everyone will be annoyed if they make the next game with the exact same characters. So, at some point, we are going to discuss who Sakurai should/might be cutting.

  57. Kirby8 Tuesday 11th Sep 2012 at 23:54

    I only agree with parts of this list, like I said before. I never talked about the whole list. I only talked about certain parts.

    I agree Jigglypuff might be great when in the right hands. And yes, it's one of the original 151 and original characters. So maybe it should stay, mainly due to the last fact. I think cutting the originals might be sad. But I myself never play with Jigglypuff. I prefer other characters. Jigglypuff is, in general, a great character (in the anime, games, etc.) but not exactly the best fighter. I doubt I'll ever really play as Jigglypuff, so that is why it would be nice to see someone else. But, cutting an original does suck. Hmmm...

    Like I said before, shocked Ness is on the list as I enjoy playing as him. But Lucas, as a clone should go. So should Wolf and Toon Link (not in article) as clones. If we need spaces on the roster, remove clones.
    Also like I said before, I find Ice Climbers annoying to play as...maybe if I worked at it I'd get better with them. But shouldn't be removed, like I said. All of Ninty should definitely be celebrated, like others have said. Ice Climbers need to stay to represent that. As well as R.O.B.. My cousin loves playing as R.O.B. and it would suck to see him go. And Olimar, for the same reason, needs to stay. If any of these characters are weak and have bad move sets, etc. then they simply need to be improved, not cut.

    I never talked about these two before, Sonic and Snake. IMO, no cut for them. Sonic represents Ninty's past rivalry and I think it's great to have them in the same game and be able to have them fight it out. And Snake started on the NES. Who cares where it's fame was made...we kicked them off on that road. We should celebrate that. So let these two stay.
    And for Lucario, I feel a cut should be made. Mewtwo was awesome, but was replaced with Lucario. Lucario is cool, but I think it's only right that if Mewtwo was replaced with a new character, then Lucario should too.

    To summarise, to make space for new characters, cut clones. And leave the retro and the 3rd parties alone. And if we want to keep the clones in some form, make them trophies. I think what we should do is increase the trophies a bit and have that as a reference to some of the older characters, rather then making everyone a playable.

  58. Hams96 Wednesday 12th Sep 2012 at 04:15

    Lucario was my favorite character in Brawl, I almost always play as him. And ROB was genuinely an awesome character. His attacks were (mostly) quite powerful and he made clunking noises instead of high pitched squeaks. Ditch the other, but not these two.

  59. LavaTwilight Wednesday 12th Sep 2012 at 08:40

    Well there are characters that annoy me but you're right, even though they annoy me to shreds I'm sure they must be someone's favourites! But not jigglypuff. Never jigglypuff.
    That said though, if they're not increasing the roster than I'd rather see some go for new ones to be introduced, than see the same faces!

  60. K-tet Wednesday 12th Sep 2012 at 08:46

    The basis of wanting both Ness and Lucas dropped is because the Mother series was never released in Europe. I'm pretty sure both Mother and Mother 3 weren't released in the USA and you don't hear our noisy neighbours across the pond complain about that. That's far too much of a shallow reason to want them dropped. Earthbound wasn't released because the localisation team did not want to convert the game from NTSC to PAL. Back in those days it was an extremely difficult thing to do in regards to timing.

    However, to that point, Lucas may get dropped. I can't see Ness being dropped due to the fact he's one of the original 12. The way I see it, those in the original 12 are staying regardless, so they're safe.

    Jigglypuff is also a no. Mr East's plain stupidity needs to be shelved in a high place safely out of the reach of children. Again, one of the original 12, so not going to happen.

    Snake was broken as hell in Brawl when used correctly, but yes, I wouldn't be too disheartened if he was dropped.

    Lucario will get dropped. Again, I doubt it for Zoroark because Meloetta is more likely. Fits the bill better and is extremely popular in Japan.

    Sonic? I hope not, but not because he sucks or anything like that. However, a better move set might be better for him.

    Olimar? Seems likely given Pikmin 3. However, any of the new characters introduced in Pikmin 3 may replace him straight up.

    Ice Climbers? They're one of the best characters in the entire game. Go and watch videos of Ice Climbers in action. They're lethal in the right hands. I doubt they'll be dropped because of their competitive value.

    R.O.B? I think he'll be dropped. He had his limelight in Mario Kart DS, which prompted his inclusion in Brawl. He's a pretty cool character and I like using him casually, but I can't see his Smash tenure being extended to this game.

    Wolf? Absolutely. He was a pointless inclusion in Brawl. Even I couldn't find a reason to use him. =w=b

  61. shadow.x Wednesday 12th Sep 2012 at 10:12

    Ness is in my top 3 favourite characters to play as so you cant get rid of him. And as for Snake, you can dare to even try, my mother will be having words with you!

  62. starwarriorsam Wednesday 12th Sep 2012 at 10:24

    I dont think Ness, Lucas and Ice Climbers should get dropped, and have been my best characters in the Smash games they appear in. The Smash Bros. series introduced me to these characters, i went and bought a US SNES and a copy of EarthBound it may have been expensive but after playing it it became my favourite game, id like to get the limited edition Mother 3 Game Boy Micro when i have the money and i have Ice Climber on GBA, Wii VC and one of my free NES games on 3DS and i enjoy it.
    I agree with the others on this list but i think Toon Link should go too.

  63. the conkster Wednesday 12th Sep 2012 at 11:34

    omg u want sonic 2 b dropped from ssb4? he's 1 of the best charactes. there needs to b more sonic characters in it. i agree with your other characters tho. solid snake doesn't suit smash bros at all.

  64. v1rg1le Wednesday 12th Sep 2012 at 13:09

    Just to be clear, I created an account here only to say this : Ness and especially Lucas are GREAT, funny and powerful characters. They maybe aren't that easy to control at first but they're nice to play when you're used to it. They have very powerful and useful abilities, and I think Lucas is one of the best characters of SSBB, and if they are not in the next SSB, I'm going to kill someone.

  65. Tamzily01 Wednesday 12th Sep 2012 at 13:23

    Just to be clear, I created an account here only to say this : Ness and especially Lucas are GREAT, funny and powerful characters. They maybe aren't that easy to control at first but they're nice to play when you're used to it. They have very powerful and useful abilities, and I think Lucas is one of the best characters of SSBB, and if they are not in the next SSB, I'm going to kill someone.

    Totally agree with you. They're both difficult to control, but incredibly useful once you get used to them. However, I honestly won't miss Lucas if he's not in SSB4. He's essentially a training version of Ness. Replace Lucas with Kumatora imo. Pretty much all of his special moves were originally used by her, and they need more female characters in the roster.

  66. Pyron12 Wednesday 12th Sep 2012 at 15:36


    Please, learn some manners. You can explain your arguments without peppering it with swearwords and trying to belittle Tom as though he deserves it.

    Is that the only premise you saw in my comment? I barely used any swearwords. Although i do realise the comment was angry spirited. But i suppose i got it out of my system. You can't really say i didn't make strong points with my arguments, despite the swearing.


    I understand you were trying to make a point but swearwords aren't the way to do it.
    Sonic? You gotta be s- I'm NOT going to swear but I will say this. It's fun beating up Sonic in Brawl. Getting rid of Sonic would be like getting rid of Wario (fans were waiting for his Smash Bros debut for ages). Lucario and Jigglypuff are ok but Zoroark has loads more potential as a Smash character.

  67. phil2512 Wednesday 12th Sep 2012 at 16:18

    About sonics final smash, he is meant to attack like that I mean its what Sonic has done in most games like the classics and generations.

  68. carnivine chaos Wednesday 12th Sep 2012 at 20:49

    The only ones I agree with are Lucas and Wolf because they're clones. R.O.B is amazing, Ice-Climbers are also unique (and happen to be High Tier), Jigglypuff is good too, but was nerfed hard in Brawl compared to Melee, Sonic, Olimar and Lucario are unique (yes, Lucario is very VERY different to Mewtwo in Melee), Ness was part of the original cast and is my main, so partly for personal reasons don't want him gone, but he's also unique.

    Snake would be the only one I'd say to get rid of because of how he doesn't die till the 150-200% mark; too OP, but then again, he could be nerfed for Smash Bros. 4.

    Not being "as famous" is a stupid reason to have them gone. To Mikurotoro on the subject of Lucas and Ness; Ness' recovery is only bad because it can be blocked by your opponent and make you die, however that's quite difficult to do. Secondly, Lucas' PK Thunder canNOT be blocked, and propels him a lot further than Ness, so your facts are wrong, thirdly, if you're talking suckiest fighters, it's easily Ganondorf, Jigglypuff, Zelda and Link. Would you really want to see them gone? No. Reasons for those 4 is a result of being too slow, low priorities for moves, and bad recoveries (with the exception of Jigglypuff, otherwise, much worse than Lucas/Ness) to name a few.

    As for Final Smashes: They're ridiculously unbalanced and are all OP anyway. Items are all OP; that's why no one uses them in tournament play. If I were to nominate something to get rid of in Smash Bros. It'd be items, not characters.

  69. el que tiene la Thursday 13th Sep 2012 at 00:08

    no deberia decir eso ya que la gracia esta en la bariedad de personajes y eliminar personajes q menciono solo se puede llevar a cabo con los poquemon y es solo para remplasarlos por otros pockemon :evil:

  70. Commandervideo Thursday 13th Sep 2012 at 09:10

    if you're talking suckiest fighters, it's easily Ganondorf, Jigglypuff, Zelda and Link.
    If I were to nominate something to get rid of in Smash Bros. It'd be items, not characters.

    Sheik/Zelda is one of the best characters in the game. I knew someone who kicked butt using sheik. He would do the SB equivilant of keepy uppys, constantly kicking you flying directly up, there would be no escape. On the recieving end of it you could rack up about 20 seconds of air time without touching the ground :shock: . Shiek is fast too.

    Getting rid of items would be like taking items out of mario kart. You wouldn't be able to send kirby out of the park for a homerun with the baseball bat. And fighing for each and every item adds to the chaos.

  71. TaleOfTheToaster Thursday 13th Sep 2012 at 12:14

    This is the worst article to ever surface on this website.
    The title: Smash Bros characters who need to be dropped for Wii U and 3DS
    It is absolutely mandatory that 10 CHARACTERS get ditched? Including BOTH EarthBound reps? You want to add Mega Man but ditch Sonic? You want to ditch Olimar, Brawl's second best character, even with Pikmin 3 on the horizon? I understand that some characters may get the boot, but not ten, and this went way too far.

  72. TaleOfTheToaster Thursday 13th Sep 2012 at 12:25

    Additionally, your technical understanding of this game is absolutely poor.

    You wrote about Olimar: "Yet there is a better reason why he shouldn't be in Smash Bros. He is a bit useless."
    You couldn't be more wrong. So he has to pluck Pikmin from the ground, that does not make him useless. Watch some competitive matches, you'll see how good Olimar is, and you'll notice that an Olimar user came 2nd place at Apex 2012, and Olimar is rightfully second on the tier list.

    And for Ice Climbers: "Their moves aren't great, either.".
    Again, completely wrong. Ice Climbers have a 0-KO chain throw, making them extremely good. Watch 9B play, and you'll see what landed Ice Climbers at #4 on the Tier List.

    Anyone who calls Wolf a Fox clone is completely ignorant. His moves have a similar name to that of Fox and Falco, his moves are completely different in function. In fact, his moves have completely different names in Japan. Blaster and Wolf Flash are very different, Fire Wolf works differently as an attack, and only Reflector and Landmaster can be criticized. A cloned Final Smash does not make a character a clone. Look at his A button moves, they are not even remotely similar to Fox or Falco. Falco is much more of a clone than Wolf, but Falco also needs to stay. I can use the word "need", seeing as you guys all used it so inappropriately.

    Now if you'll excuse me, I can't bear to look at this article.

  73. conn1496 Friday 14th Sep 2012 at 15:43

    >Removing characters in a fighting game.
    NOPE. It's always a bad idea. I still can't believe they removed Zasalamel from SC V... :cry:
    Removing characters makes my fun hurt so.

  74. jassy_7_16 Sunday 16th Sep 2012 at 10:52

    Please don't scrap Lucario! He is actually a very good character to use and his high risk high reward strategy is very unique and useful. More people use Lucario than Jigglypuff and you should really start getting rid of the clone characters first.

  75. greenzilla Sunday 16th Sep 2012 at 11:22

    Why do we need to get rid of anyone....... just add new characters on top of them, and regardless lucario will go he was just a replacement for mewtwo and the same will happen to him.

  76. FamilyGAMEGuy8 Sunday 16th Sep 2012 at 12:29

    About 7 of these characters are some of my favourites...huh....

    I think no character should go. Someone, somewhere, will be angry at their favourite character being cut. I was mad with Mewtwo being cut and I don't want it to happen again. Although he is my main, I can understand Sonic being cut but please not Ness or ROB!

  77. cthesupergenius Sunday 16th Sep 2012 at 13:56

    I thought Ness and Lucas were brothers

  78. KingoftheSocks Sunday 16th Sep 2012 at 14:33

    I completely disagree with every single one of those choice apart from wolf and ROB, Ganondorf any one, practically useless and is a massive clone of Captain Falcon.

    OKay Ice Climbers, whoever voted for them should just go to hell, their jump noise isn't annoying it's awesome.

    Snake, meh but I liked him

    Sonic same

    Ness, Whoever voted for him is going to be beaten by NessPSI

    Olimar. Top Don Why should he leave, awesome recovery.

    Lucario. Enjoyed playing as him but understandable why he should leave.

    Lucas. I will do anything to make sure Lucas stays in

    Jigglypuff. NO PLEASE NO, JIGGLYPUFF WILL NEVER LEAVE SMASH BROS

  79. Alaxtis Sunday 16th Sep 2012 at 15:35

    Olimar's not that good, but let's face it. He's got a new game, he's staying. All the rest will probably go though.

  80. Guwuh Sunday 16th Sep 2012 at 19:36

    In this list: I'm not good with a character so they suck
    also I've said it before Wolf is not a clone

    Olimar's not that good


    http://i.imgur.com/aiS1O.jpg

  81. Chaos_Absolute Sunday 16th Sep 2012 at 20:34

    This article is pathetic and shameful.

    The "reasons" given for why a character should be removed are a disgrace, and you seem to have decided to change the format or the article after only the first character analysis. You give your verdict about why the character should go for the Ice Climbers but then it seems to be absent for all the subsequent characters.

    If I wanted to read something as disgraceful as this then I would go to 4chan.

  82. KingoftheSocks Sunday 16th Sep 2012 at 21:08

    Okay this thread is just turning into alot of shouting (Me included) with a hint of swearing. Let us all calm down, take a deep breath and all agree that we all like some characters and we all want some to go, making a thread based on personal opinion on something as big as this probably wasn't the best of ideas and even reading through the first page of posts only makes this more obvious, no more shouting no more swearing (Why aren't the mods onto that?) and make this more of a debate not a shouting contest

  83. phil2512 Sunday 16th Sep 2012 at 21:11

    I agree it just someones opinion dont need to be so aggresive about it.

  84. carnivine chaos Sunday 16th Sep 2012 at 21:49

    if you're talking suckiest fighters, it's easily Ganondorf, Jigglypuff, Zelda and Link.
    If I were to nominate something to get rid of in Smash Bros. It'd be items, not characters.

    1. Sheik/Zelda is one of the best characters in the game. I knew someone who kicked butt using sheik. He would do the SB equivilant of keepy uppys, constantly kicking you flying directly up, there would be no escape. On the recieving end of it you could rack up about 20 seconds of air time without touching the ground :shock: . Shiek is fast too.

    2. Getting rid of items would be like taking items out of mario kart. You wouldn't be able to send kirby out of the park for a homerun with the baseball bat. And fighing for each and every item adds to the chaos.


    1. That's Sheik, not Zelda.

    2. Items are okay if they're balanced. In Mario Kart DS it's done well, whereas Mario Kart Wii has a rubberbanding effect, taking you from 1st place to around 7th for one red shell. Really? But I digress, in Smash Bros. items are completely random and require no skill. With smash balls, a terrible Sonic player can still take away 2 stock easily from a pro since they're so overpowered. You say "fighting for each and every item", but sometimes it's not possible; they appear in random places, it's not like there are item blocks in specified places in the stage. "Sending Kirby out of the park with a homerun bat" requires little to no effort, making the game pointless; who wants to play when your stock gets taken in one hit. Though it's virtually impossible to time, meaning that it's more of a hinder than an advantage... Oh, but wait, you can throw it and it gives ridiculous knock back. Long story short, no, items suck, items punish skilful players. Including them is fine, but being able to turn them off was the best decision they ever made in every Smash game.

    I agree it just someones opinion dont need to be so aggresive about it.


    We get annoyed because there is no logic to this article. Saying to get rid of a character because they're not famous enough is like saying to not make Pikmin 3 because there hasn't been a game in 8 years and it's not as famous as Mario, yet look what they're making and look at how excited all the fans are... To put it simply, characters like Olimar are very diverse compared to the rest of the roster and just because you don't like them (either because you don't like the series, don't like fighting against people who play as them, or find it difficult to play as them yourself) as a reason to get rid of them is just selfish. If there was a reasoning to get rid of a character, like, Metaknight because he's absolutely uber and has a far superior metagame to the rest of the roster, then this article wouldn't be so bad.

  85. Guwuh Sunday 16th Sep 2012 at 21:58

    I agree it just someones opinion dont need to be so aggresive about it.


    it's not an opinion if it contradicts facts

  86. Commandervideo Sunday 16th Sep 2012 at 22:22

    That's Sheik, not Zelda

    But Zelda transforms into sheik making them the same character. Although I think there is a way to select sheik from the menu, I just can't remember how.

  87. carnivine chaos Monday 17th Sep 2012 at 11:02

    That's Sheik, not Zelda

    But Zelda transforms into sheik making them the same character. Although I think there is a way to select sheik from the menu, I just can't remember how.


    As you already stated: "Sheik is so fast". They play completely differently with their own movesets. It is possible to select Sheik from the menu and is why she's considered a character on her own. It's like saying ZSS and Samus play the same. What a joke. The only exception is Pokemon Trainer since it forces you to switch when you get KO'd.

  88. LavaTwilight Monday 17th Sep 2012 at 13:27


    Luigi is justifiable since he's Mario's brother. Therefore it only makes sense they have similar moves.


    Yeah exactly! What I was saying is Luigi, as Mario's brother, should be a massive clone, and yet he's not actually. Their moves aren't as similar as, say, Ganondorf and Captain Falcon. Since Mario and Luigi can get different enough moves, so should all the others!

  89. Crash323 Monday 17th Sep 2012 at 15:45

    Thank Goodness Ganondorf isnt on that list. If he got dropped I would be devastated. Ganondorf is the King of Evil. He also has an old Grandpa version of himself as an alternate skin. Good old Gramps. Grandpa punch! Grandpa Kick! And who could ever forget the Ganon facegrab. Classic. In the next game he should be able to taunt and use his sword then taunt it back away to resume his unarmed frenzy with his purple gas. Two movesets for Ganon would be far too good. Top lad he is.

    Anyway with the list I only disagree with Wolf. Wolf is pretty awesome. Sure he is pretty awful in the air but his brutal smashes have crazy reach.Star Wolf was the best part of Star Fox games anyway with its awesome dogfights so I don't understand how Wolf is a minor character when he is the rival of the main character? Falco is just annoying. But his hilarious taunts make up for it.

  90. fastthehedgehog3 Thursday 25th Oct 2012 at 12:08

    How dare you put Ness on this list. Nobody messes with EarthBound.

  91. fastthehedgehog3 Thursday 25th Oct 2012 at 12:11

    ...What. The. Waffles. Why did you put EarthBound and Sonic on this list? I know i already posted a comment, but these are just two of my most loved game characters!

  92. Giygas Tuesday 27th Nov 2012 at 00:05

    i think ness should go bu not lucas. Lucas is definitely the character im best with

    \

    silly goose you can't do that! as much as i love lucas, when it comes down to it mother 3 was never released in the u.s. making him a little less iconic than ness. he'd probably be the first to go between the two

  93. mhajduk Sunday 6th Jan 2013 at 18:07

    Uh... newsflash! Everybody still likes the Ice Climbers! There's nothing wrong with retro game appearances, and likes of Earthbound's dedicated fanbase still get Ness and Lucas in Super Smash Bros. Drop them both? NO WAY!! It's the only thing left we have of that game... What do you have against Earthbound, man? :evil:

    The only characters that should be dropped really are Lucario, Game and Watch and R.O.B. -not because they're bad, but because we all knew they were characters created exclusively for brawl anyway. :|

  94. Combusken Monday 7th Jan 2013 at 03:01

    Add:

    I would love to see Captain N (aka Kevin Keene) from the CaptaIn N: The Gamesmaster cartoon (even an unlockable episode of the show or trophies of him and characters from the series would be nice surprise for Smash Bros) finally get his due as he is a Nintendo creation that hasn't ever been in a videogame before.

    Another long overdue Nintendo character is King Harkinian from the Legend of Zelda cartoon which was based on the first game of the Zelda series, The Legend of Zelda, but included some references to the second, Zelda II: The Adventure of Link. Just imagine him vs King Dedede in fight between the two Nintendo kings.

    I wouldn't object to seeing Medusa from the Kid Icarus series since we haven't yet had a female villian as a playable character in the Smash Bros series.

    Speaking of villians, Dr Eggman should be included in Smash Bros since he's Sonic's archenemy and because it would be interesting to see him face Mario in a fight. (Especially since we were finally got to do Sonic vs Bowser in Brawl) Also King K. Rool should be added since he is the villian of Donkey Kong Country series and Donkey Kong deserves have his own archenemy in the Smash Bros series.

    Removed from the Smash Bros selection screen but could still be played via a button code: (Like how Goro and Noob Saibot were in Mortal Kombat 4 )

    Dr Mario (He could easily be an attire for Mario since he is Mario in a doctor costume)
    Toon Link (He could be an attire for normal Link since Zero Suit Samus is just Samus without her armour on)

  95. RolyatSille Thursday 24th Jan 2013 at 06:27

    Okay, first... Seriously? The entire premise for taking people off the roster is from random people on this guy's Facebook? Really? Well then, anyway, let's break down the list.

    1. Jigglypuff -
    Jigglypuff is terribly hard to get proper handling on and isn't much use for anyone... but the entire reason Jiggly's still in is FOR novelty. The novelty of having that terrible character that is just embarrassing to be beat by and is a huge pride boost is you manage to whip someone with it.

    2. Wolf -
    Wolf's moves are SIMILAR to Fox, but the changes to his play style makes him play differently. He's much more of a power house and trades speed and range for that. There's a rather good video on YouTube doing a big ol' explanation on the difference between the Star Fox characters.
    BTW, Wolves are more popular than foxes and much more so than falcons.

    3. Lucario -
    "We need fresher Pokemon." Hey! The people making the game thought the same thing for Brawl. Guess what happened. People got MAD because Mewtwo got replaced, giving Lucario as a bad rep in Brawl, despite having the most unique play-style.

    4. Lucas -
    Same thing with Wolf. Looking similar doesn't mean playing similar. He has significant differences from Ness, which I think are covered in the video aforementioned, so go look.

    5. Olimar -
    I'll agree he's almost as hard to use as Jigglypuff, but he's not a bad character to keep and he's a big figure in Nintendo, which is generally what SSB is about. Fighting with the big Nintendo players.

    6. Rob -
    I can't say anything on Rob, really.

    7. Sonic -
    GOOD POINT... GOOD POINT, he says. Sonic's major attack seemed to be 'smashing his head into things... What the hell did and does Mario STILL do? OH! That's right! His main attack is a JUMP, where he lands his fat butt on things or, or what? OH! SMASHES HIS HEAD. He's got fire and smacking people with capes/tails too, but his main attack is a jump... Later on, Sonic got a sword and the ability to transform into a monster. SO what if he smashes his head into things. Captain Falcon doesn't even FIGHT! He's a driver! He HAS no moves, yet he's still in!
    As for why he should stay, Sonic's become a nice, big name that's at least related to Nintendo and he's a speedy character that's really not all that hard to control.

    8. Ness -
    What are you talking about 'suckiest fighters" and 'bad recoveries'? Ness is pretty dang good, if you bother to learn how to use him and his recovery is pretty devastating as a normal attack and works just fine with proper use.

    9. Snake -
    Yeah, he won't have much of the Wow! Shock! factor that he had in Brawl, but that's because people won't be as drawn back by seeing such a drastically different character. That doesn't mean he should be removed though. However, he may be the one person I agree should be removed, but not for the same reasons. Mostly because your reasons suck, but I'm not posting to go over my reasons... yet.

    10. Ice Climbers -
    Yes, the Ice Climbers are very aged, but that didn't stop Mr. Game & Watch from ending up on this list. How many people even knew that he had a game? If that's your reason for removing them, we might as well remove all classic characters, but that would be ridiculous. Oh wait, their jumps make an annoying noise... Y'know... like Mario's and Luigi's.
    Meanwhile, they may be one of the most unique characters, being the only double character and their power depending on both surviving. They're somewhat difficult, but satisfying to pull off using.

    Who I THINK should be removed:
    There's tons of reasons for each character to stay, but the people I would personally like to see go (and I won't say things like "The reason you want to see them go"):
    Mr. Game&Watch (sorta. 50-50 on it.)
    Snake
    Pokemon Trainer
    Wario
    And I can't rightfully choose anyone else.

  96. Version10 Saturday 13th Apr 2013 at 18:52

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! DON'T GET RID OF THE ICE CLIMBERSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  97. buzzboy42 Tuesday 14th May 2013 at 20:43

    These ideas(exept for sonic and snake because Nintendo said they would not mainly focus on 3rd partiers)Are TERRIBLE!

  98. Nivram_Axuf Tuesday 18th Feb 2014 at 03:31

    I have made an account on this website to point out how idiotic this is.
    1. Half of these characters are part of my main choices for playing.
    2. Just because you suck with a character does not mean they should go, all characters have there own strategies, you can't donkey kong your way through everything.
    3. Sure I agree with Lucas, he is "ALMOST" a complete replica of Ness, who I used to be great with.
    4. Why not hate on Captain Falcon if you don't like the originals, him and ganondorf are twins, Ganon just has a more original final smash.
    5. Toon Link
    6. Fox or Falco over Wolf because at least wolf has a different move set.
    7.This guy must be a button masher because he doesn't see strategy with most of the characters he chose when it is staring him in the face.
    8.And finally if you just want to get rid of bad characters why not Mario, most of the time "I" never use him. However I do see the possibilities, the FLUDD, which most people probably don't recognize is very useful. But, guess what, the FLUDD never existed in the N64, the game is evolving and so are the characters, therefore no characters deserve to leave because the makers are willing to make them different.

    P.S. Every Zelda character better not have the exact same final smash, be original.

  99. CaptainMcClellan Wednesday 9th Apr 2014 at 19:15

    I have made an account on this website to point out how idiotic this is.
    1. Half of these characters are part of my main choices for playing.
    2. Just because you suck with a character does not mean they should go, all characters have there own strategies, you can't donkey kong your way through everything.
    3. Sure I agree with Lucas, he is "ALMOST" a complete replica of Ness, who I used to be great with.
    4. Why not hate on Captain Falcon if you don't like the originals, him and ganondorf are twins, Ganon just has a more original final smash.
    5. Toon Link
    6. Fox or Falco over Wolf because at least wolf has a different move set.
    7.This guy must be a button masher because he doesn't see strategy with most of the characters he chose when it is staring him in the face.
    8.And finally if you just want to get rid of bad characters why not Mario, most of the time "I" never use him. However I do see the possibilities, the FLUDD, which most people probably don't recognize is very useful. But, guess what, the FLUDD never existed in the N64, the game is evolving and so are the characters, therefore no characters deserve to leave because the makers are willing to make them different.

    P.S. Every Zelda character better not have the exact same final smash, be original.

    Agreed!~ I too made an account for the same reason.

    Really? Because my single factor of deciding whether to purchase SSB4 is Ness. If he's not there, I'm not playing. Also I like Ice Climbers. Nintendo is hanging on by a thread, last thing it needs is to alienate even more of its forever-fans. Sure Earthbound may be a "fringe" game, sure Ice Climbers hasn't seen anything since its NES days. Consider though, that this is a Nintendo cross-over beat-em-up designed solely to market Nintendo games and make fans happy. Because of Ice Climbers being in SSB, the sales of Ice Climbers on VC is actually existent. With them trying to remarket Earthbound, it would be idiotic to remove Ness now. Not to mention he is one of the most creative characters to play as in the entire game. I'm all for additions, but if you start removing characters from Super Smash to be "replaced" by "new" versions, I will stop buying. Nintendo, wake up! If you're not careful you're going the way of Sega or WORSE.

    If you want to remove characters, why don't you take out the redundant characters? Lucario was one of the worst ideas for SSBB, he's just a lamer version of Melee's Mewtwo. Jigglypuff is too much in a game that already has three other Pokemon characters. ( 5 if you count each of Pokemon trainer's as a separate entity. ) So in that, I agree with the poster. Even more so with Wolf. I've played Star Fox games a bit and I haven't even encountered Wolf yet. At least Falco's someone you meet straight away. Also, Mr. Game and Watch has been around even longer than Ice Climbers with even less attention, so why isn't he suggested? ( That said, Mr. Game and Watch had better stick around too. ) And why is noone talking about how lame/annoying Peach is? They make up for it a little, but the main strategy with her is floating while the opponents fight. She doesn't even have any strong relations to her game series, as does Olimar. ( I'll be sad to see him go, but can live with it if he does. I have to admit Megaman would be much more fun to play. ) She's just a generic "princess" character. In her original game she was more of a trophy than a character. ( Her moveset and finisher are also obnoxious. ) Zelda and Samus feel so much less like tokens and are actually combat-effective. R.O.B could stay or go in my opinion, but he is pretty cool and makes a great character for Story mode. ( He was the most omni-present character in all Subspace Emissary. ) Falco, I could also understand if he had to go, but I like him because his whole premise is "speed over power" while sharing the remainder of strategy with Fox.

    Don't get rid of Ganondorf, just give him a unique attack set please. One that relates to him in his games. ( Stuff like I dunno, WIELDING A WEAPON? Or at very least, his energy ball attack. I could picture that being a viable attack, with the ability to volley it and it gain more power each time it's volleyed.

    The whole premise of this article is that the Roster cannot expand. Why not? They added Wii Fit Trainer. If ever a character didn't deserve to be in this game it's her. Adding Villager was a good idea, Wii Fit Trainer. Who among us even still plays that? And how does she fit into a fighting game? You want to talk about a useless fighter, she does yoga to attack.

    Also, I read some the comments and I can honestly say while I loved Skyward Sword, Ghirahim doesn't merit an appearance.

  100. CaptainMcClellan Wednesday 9th Apr 2014 at 19:24

    Uh... newsflash! Everybody still likes the Ice Climbers! There's nothing wrong with retro game appearances, and likes of Earthbound's dedicated fanbase still get Ness and Lucas in Super Smash Bros. Drop them both? NO WAY!! It's the only thing left we have of that game... What do you have against Earthbound, man? :evil:

    The only characters that should be dropped really are Lucario, Game and Watch and R.O.B. -not because they're bad, but because we all knew they were characters created exclusively for brawl anyway. :|

    Game and Watch

    exclusively for braw

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABuzchK5E6g

    "Exclusively for brawl" Uh... no. I was playing Mr. G&W when I was 8. I'm 18 now.

  101. carnivine chaos Monday 15th Sep 2014 at 15:59

    Once again, MiA proving how little he knows about Smash. 8}

  102. powermad80 Monday 13th Oct 2014 at 13:35

    You can go to hell for putting Ness on here. It's so irritating seeing everyone who's just plain bad at Ness/Lucas complain about them being bad characters who should be removed. Not only does removing anyone at all do nothing but anger people who loved the characters, you're whining that you're bad at playing a character you don't want to play, so what's the bloody point?

    And Ness is by far not a bad character, my constant victories against skilled players in 1v1 matches is a testament to that. Why not stick to removing clones rather than getting rid of unique movesets that people have grown to love?

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