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Pokemon announcement set for 8 January

The world of Pokemon will evolve in 2013

Pokemon fans should look out for a Pokemon announcement next week. That's right, the next big Pokemon news will be revealed on 8 January.

Word of the announcement spread after a message at the end of the Pokemon Black and White 2 trailer and fans will be hoping that the first game in Generation 6 will be revealed for 3DS.

However, we have no clues as to what this news will be so we'll just have to sit tight until 8 January.

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2013 could be an exciting year for Pokemon. We already know that Pokemon Mystery Dungeon 3DS is coming to the US in March but Game Freak's Junichi Masuda is reported to have left a message in a greetings card sent to Japanese magazine Nintendo Dream in which he said that they intend to further evolve the world of Pokemon in 2013.

Will we discover the next stage of this evolution next week?

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  1. Gapa Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 09:42

    I'm really hoping that this is going to be Generation 6, and not just a spin-off...

  2. BIGBUTTER Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 10:35

    A New Pokemon Snap!!!! That would be EPIC!!

  3. shy guy 64 Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 10:38

    I'm really hoping that this is going to be Generation 6, and not just a spin-off...

    its to early

  4. CraigEmberson Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 10:45

    Generation 3 has been hinted to A LOT in this generation. Partially in Black and White, then a lot more in BW2... Reshiram and Zekrom share elements of it's colour scheme and many wild Pokemon are Gen 3. Also, when the anime introduced older Pokemon, it heavily features Gen 1 and Gen 3 Pokemon (both tied together). I think they'll announce Gen 3 remakes for 3DS, just to ease people into the 3DS more and prepare for Gen 6. I find it interesting that Ash's Charizard returns in the Genesect movie with it's wife/girlfriend too.

    I forgot to mention... The data in BW2 lists a couple of key items from Gen 3 games that weren't used too. Problem is, remaking it on DS wouldn't be much enhancement on the old version and we already had DS remakes before.

    EDIT: Also, has anyone noticed that this Gen has taken a lot from Zelda? Music, Pokemon like Sigilyph, movies, the Meloetta Storyline in the anime sharing similarities.

  5. igsey Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 10:51

    I'm hoping for either Ruby/Sapphire remakes or Snap 3D. I think we can fairly sagely assume that whatever's revealed, it'll be for 3DS.

  6. TenTen Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 11:01

    I'm really hoping that this is going to be Generation 6, and not just a spin-off...

    its to early


    It's almost been 3 years, which is the usual gap between each generation, and the games are probably not going to be released for a while, so it could be gen 6.

  7. King Slazo Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 11:04

    It'll be a download event. Way too early for Gen6, and Gen3 remakes ain't happening anytime soon.

  8. K-tet Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 11:10

    For all we know, this announcement could be additional DLC for Black and White 2. However, look at what year we're in. ^.~

    I predict with a fair degree of logic that it will be the Hoenn remasters for the DS. Why? There seems to be an 8-10 year interval for these remasters to surface. FireRed and LeafGreen were released in 2004, 8 years after the original Red and Green cartridges were released in Japan. Likewise, HeartGold and SoulSilver were released in 2010, 9 years after the original Gold and Silver cartridges were released in Europe (10 in USA, 11 in Japan). Ruby and Sapphire were both released in 2003. Now we're in 2013. It's most definitely possible that this is the case. Also, we all know that HeartGold and SoulSilver covered both Johto and Kanto regions respectively (as did the originals), and with both the 4th and 5th Gen games being DS anyway, it stands to reason that Hoenn is the only region that has yet to feature on the hardware. It's all pointing in the right direction for a Hoenn remaster. Educated tuppence for you all.

    What I do believe is that it won't be a 3DS game, but perhaps it'll be a 3DS-enhanced DS game like Black and White 2 are. It's far too early to be releasing a fully-fledged game on the 3DS, especially one that's counter-intuitive to the other versions (in other words, why release a remaster for new hardware?). Gen 6 will most definitely be a 3DS game, I'm certain of that. Perhaps they'll bring it to Wii U as well (though before Game Freak have stated they don't wish to pursue this route). The 3DS can communicate with the DS however, so 6th Gen games should allow you to move Pokémon from say any of the DS games to the 6th Gen in much the same way as the 5th Gen games did is most definitely on the cards.

    I'm definitely looking forward to this announcement in any case.

  9. Serebii Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 11:17

    Generation 3 has been hinted to A LOT in this generation. Partially in Black and White, then a lot more in BW2... Reshiram and Zekrom share elements of it's colour scheme and many wild Pokemon are Gen 3. Also, when the anime introduced older Pokemon, it heavily features Gen 1 and Gen 3 Pokemon (both tied together). I think they'll announce Gen 3 remakes for 3DS, just to ease people into the 3DS more and prepare for Gen 6. I find it interesting that Ash's Charizard returns in the Genesect movie with it's wife/girlfriend too.

    I forgot to mention... The data in BW2 lists a couple of key items from Gen 3 games that weren't used too. Problem is, remaking it on DS wouldn't be much enhancement on the old version and we already had DS remakes before.

    EDIT: Also, has anyone noticed that this Gen has taken a lot from Zelda? Music, Pokemon like Sigilyph, movies, the Meloetta Storyline in the anime sharing similarities.

    I honestly don't know where to begin with this post :p

    1. Reshiram and Zekrom having the colourscheme is nothing to do with Ruby & Sapphire. Red & Blue has been a running motif through all games. Red/Blue. Gold/Silver (with Red & Blue legends). Ruby/Sapphire. Pearl/Diamond and now Black/White & Black 2 & White 2

    2. Not true. All Pokémon have been seen, the focus has actually been more on Gen IV Pokémon. Especially in the games. Plus, the abundance of Hoenn Pokémon would disprove RS remakes, as would the recent Japanese distributions for Kyogre and Groudon

    3. For compatibility reasons, they can't have a game switch to the 3DS mid-generation. It'd cut off compatibility with the other games online due to the differences in the Nintendo WiFi Connection and Nintendo Network and the fact the two aren't intercompatible. Plus, there's no support for the DS anymore so...

    4. That's a falsitude. Black 2 & White 2 don't actually have those Key Items, contrary to popular believe. It added the use of several Gen IV ones, though, even one which was coded in and never used. Gen III though, no. No VS Seeker, no Fame Checker or anything like that. I have no idea where this started, but this is the fifth time I have seen it this week

  10. ahad133 Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 11:19

    as much as i want a generation 6 i would like a renake of generation 3 pokemon ruby and sapphire

  11. K-tet Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 11:37

    For compatibility reasons, they can't have a game switch to the 3DS mid-generation. It'd cut off compatibility with the other games online due to the differences in the Nintendo WiFi Connection and Nintendo Network and the fact the two aren't intercompatible. Plus, there's no support for the DS anymore so...


    Just to pick you up on this. The Nintendo Network for legacy reasons has absorbed the Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection. The reason for the lack of incompatibility is due to the fact that the DS uses a Friend Code system per game, whereas the 3DS uses a universal console code (which is called the Friend Code). I've already tried to see whether cross-compatibility could be achieved with a certain Japanese game that's available on DS, Wii, and 3DS. While the DS and Wii versions are cross-compatible, they cannot communicate with the 3DS version over the internet at all. Local wireless however? Both the DS and 3DS versions can communicate with one another this way.

    Not saying you're wrong, but just in case people question, there's your evidence. Hope that helps clarify other's confusion too.

  12. torterratrainer Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 11:52

    i dont want more pokemon! i just want a nice generation 3 remake. emerald was the best game in my opinion followed by platinum and black/white1

  13. TheNUKEnukeM Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 12:13

    If it is a gen 3 remake, I will cry with happiness. But lets be honest it will be an obscure spin-off. Wasn't Pokemon Colosseum going to be remade on 3ds at some point. Might be that.

    I have to admit I wasn't happy when they confirmed Gen 5 will be on ds. I mean Gen 1 was on gameboy. Gen 2 was on gameboy colour. Gen 3 was on gameboy advance. Gen 4 was on DS. Gen 5 was on DS again :/ Now they are in this mess. I know this isn't strictly true but still.

  14. Toastie Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 12:14

    Gen3 remakes ain't happening anytime soon.

    Could you tell me how you came to this conclusion? If this Gen followed the same pattern as the previous one, then this would be the perfect time to announce R/S/E remakes. I'm sure those will happen, as Game Freak have struck upon a winning formula whereby they can make a pair of main series games every Gen without having to design a region or any new Pokemon, because they already did it a few years ago.

    Regardless of Gen III Pokemon being available and whether or not there were hints in B/W and B2/W2, I'm sure Game Freak would like to stick to one of their many winning formulae and continue with remakes.

    It'll be a download event.

    Junichi Masuda is going to be on the program, and he's always the one to announce main series games (he announced B/W), so I doubt it would be a download event. It could just be a spin-off, but I'd be surprised if it wasn't at least a game.

  15. King Slazo Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 12:22

    Why?

    HeartGold and SoulSilver were made because following FireRed and LeafGreen, everybody wanted Gen2 remakes. And why wouldn't they. Anybody around since the start recognises that as the high point of the franchise. Dig them out, return Kanto to full power as they had no memory limitations and boom, they're rolling in money.

    Heck, I still remember the night when HG and SS were shown for the first time, and this forum went ballistic. There has never been such a strong show of support and love for any other Pokémon game.

    But Gen3 never had that undying love and fandom. There are people who love it and would love to see remakes, but that number is hugely reduced in comparison to the cries for Gen2. The simple answer is Gen3 remakes won't happen just yet because they wouldn't make as much money, hence why we got Black and White 2 instead.

  16. SteveSalmon999 Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 12:27

    I recon either a Wii U game (maybe like stadium or XD/colosseum)
    or a 3DS entry (probably gen 3 remakes)

  17. BattleGooseUK Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 12:29

    If it isn't a new gen for 3DS or Wii U, blood... will be shed.

  18. Serebii Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 12:32

    Gen3 remakes ain't happening anytime soon.

    Could you tell me how you came to this conclusion? If this Gen followed the same pattern as the previous one, then this would be the perfect time to announce R/S/E remakes. I'm sure those will happen, as Game Freak have struck upon a winning formula whereby they can make a pair of main series games every Gen without having to design a region or any new Pokemon, because they already did it a few years ago.

    Regardless of Gen III Pokemon being available and whether or not there were hints in B/W and B2/W2, I'm sure Game Freak would like to stick to one of their many winning formulae and continue with remakes.

    Actually, Generation V is evidence that we should ignore all patterns previously set forth. As for hints, fans seem to continually take references to be hints when they are just that, references


    Junichi Masuda is going to be on the program, and he's always the one to announce main series games (he announced B/W), so I doubt it would be a download event. It could just be a spin-off, but I'd be surprised if it wasn't at least a game.


    Junichi Masuda and Morimoto being on Smash this weekend has nothing to do with the announcement. Contrary to what certain "fansites" are saying, we know why they're on there. They're the judges of the annual Pokémon Smash host tournament. This is the 5th one and they have judged each of the others.

    Masuda has been on Smash for many reasons of than reveals. Hell, he showcased a Cubchoo and a Mewtwo event at one point

  19. Jarmez Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 12:41

    This is probably related to the anime, film or series. Or as some one said, it could just merely be for a Wi-fi event.

    For all we know, this announcement could be additional DLC for Black and White 2. However, look at what year we're in. ^.~

    I predict with a fair degree of logic that it will be the Hoenn remasters for the DS. Why? There seems to be an 8-10 year interval for these remasters to surface. FireRed and LeafGreen were released in 2004, 8 years after the original Red and Green cartridges were released in Japan. Likewise, HeartGold and SoulSilver were released in 2010, 9 years after the original Gold and Silver cartridges were released in Europe (10 in USA, 11 in Japan). Ruby and Sapphire were both released in 2003. Now we're in 2013. It's most definitely possible that this is the case. Also, we all know that HeartGold and SoulSilver covered both Johto and Kanto regions respectively (as did the originals), and with both the 4th and 5th Gen games being DS anyway, it stands to reason that Hoenn is the only region that has yet to feature on the hardware. It's all pointing in the right direction for a Hoenn remaster. Educated tuppence for you all.

    What I do believe is that it won't be a 3DS game, but perhaps it'll be a 3DS-enhanced DS game like Black and White 2 are. It's far too early to be releasing a fully-fledged game on the 3DS, especially one that's counter-intuitive to the other versions (in other words, why release a remaster for new hardware?). Gen 6 will most definitely be a 3DS game, I'm certain of that. Perhaps they'll bring it to Wii U as well (though before Game Freak have stated they don't wish to pursue this route). The 3DS can communicate with the DS however, so 6th Gen games should allow you to move Pokémon from say any of the DS games to the 6th Gen in much the same way as the 5th Gen games did is most definitely on the cards.

    I'm definitely looking forward to this announcement in any case.

    No no no no no. Ruby and Sapphire remakes should not be on DS. The only reason why Black 2 and White 2 were on DS, was because Nintendo didn't want to put the sequel games of the same generation as Black and White on 3ds, and alienate its fans (it would be bad choice to have same gen games on different consoles anyway). There is also a pattern in relation to remakes:

    Red/Blue/Green = Game Boy.
    Leaf Green/Fire Red = Game Boy Advance (2 gens away).

    Silver/Gold = Game Boy Colour
    Heart Gold/ Soul Silver = DS (2 gens away).

    Ruby/Sapphire = Game Boy Advance.
    Logically, Ruby/Sapphire remakes would be on 3DS (2 gens away).

    Nintendo need to sell their 3DS products more, what would be the point in producing for the previous gen console still?

  20. Waldy565 Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 12:47

    I'm sorry to lock this thread, but please continue you discussions here: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=95840. haha :P jokes, but we are talking bout it here

  21. Waldy565 Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 12:49

    For all we know, this announcement could be additional DLC for Black and White 2. However, look at what year we're in.

    Haha, YES! This would be amazing, some are saying Game Freak might be makign games for Sony, this would be a MASSIVE loss for Nintendo...

  22. Serebii Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 12:59

    For all we know, this announcement could be additional DLC for Black and White 2. However, look at what year we're in.

    Haha, YES! This would be amazing, some are saying Game Freak might be makign games for Sony, this would be a MASSIVE loss for Nintendo...

    1. DLC is not possible on the DS
    2. GameFreak is part owned by Nintendo, as is Pokémon. Not going to happen
    3. Even if the above wasn't true, the Vita is doing atrociously. There is no logical reason for a developer to s**t the series to it from the massively more popular console to one that is dying

  23. Waldy565 Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 13:09

    1. DLC is not possible on the DS
    2. GameFreak is part owned by Nintendo, as is Pokémon. Not going to happen

    Point 2 very happy about, DLC not possible on DS? Just look at Layton, that's technically DLC :)

  24. Serebii Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 13:12

    1. DLC is not possible on the DS
    2. GameFreak is part owned by Nintendo, as is Pokémon. Not going to happen

    Point 2 very happy about, DLC not possible on DS? Just look at Layton, that's technically DLC :)


    Those puzzles are technically already on the cartridge. We know everything that is on Black 2 & White 2

  25. shy guy 64 Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 14:08

    it's almost been 3 years, which is the usual gap between each generation, and the games are probably not going to be released for a while, so it could be gen 6.

    its all just speculation but its seems more likely to me that gen 5 i s going to last 4 years like gen 4 did

  26. Darkblizz Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 14:11

    Come on, Colosseum 3....

  27. K-tet Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 14:20

    DLC is not possible on the DS


    If we're talking about trainer data and tournaments that are accessible via the PWT, then yes it is possible. Whilst all the base data exists in the actual game itself, you still have to download the data for the game to set up each Pokémon in their entirety, as well as give AI code to the trainer to try and replicate how that trainer battled in the VGC's. After all, you can download tournament data that way. Also, while the data is technically already included in the games, the Dream World allows you to download Pokémon and items from their servers, which is treated as DLC. That data is used in-game to create the Pokémon you encountered in the Dream World, setting its nature, ability, IVs etc legally (because you know, anyone with an Action Replay and an ounce of knowledge can hack the game to death). So yeah, it's DLC no matter which way you look at it. Anything you have to download in order to gain additional content, even if it's just hard code that generates said content from within the game, is termed downloadable content.

    Further proof? If you're a Yu-Gi-Oh! TCG player and own any of the NWFC-enabled DS games, you can download banlists every six months to keep your game up-to-date and true to the current rules. ^^;

    No no no no no. Ruby and Sapphire remakes should not be on DS. The only reason why Black 2 and White 2 were on DS, was because Nintendo didn't want to put the sequel games of the same generation as Black and White on 3ds, and alienate its fans (it would be bad choice to have same gen games on different consoles anyway).


    Black and White 2 are direct sequels to Black and White, in much the same way as Gold and Silver were direct sequels to Red and Blue back in the day. The 3DS had only just been released at the time Black and White were released so it made no sense to port a DS game to the 3DS especially as the system was virtually brand new. Black and White 2 are 3DS-enhanced games, as they make use of the Pokémon Dream Radar, allowing you to upload Pokémon and items you've encountered to your physical copy. They also talk to Black and White as they are, in effect, the same game, just with different content overall. You can trade and battle against anyone that owns any copy of any of those four games, even with their Dream World Pokémon, both locally and online. It keeps with continuity.

    There is also a pattern in relation to remakes:

    Red/Blue/Green = Game Boy.
    Leaf Green/Fire Red = Game Boy Advance (2 gens away).

    Silver/Gold = Game Boy Colour
    Heart Gold/ Soul Silver = DS (2 gens away).

    Ruby/Sapphire = Game Boy Advance.
    Logically, Ruby/Sapphire remakes would be on 3DS (2 gens away).

    Nintendo need to sell their 3DS products more, what would be the point in producing for the previous gen console still?


    Not quite. Pokémon Gold and Silver will work on a normal Game Boy. They were marketed for the Colour as it was designed for the Colour in mind (see Super Game Boy enhanced Game Boy games). If they were solely Game Boy Colour games, the carts would be transparent, not coloured (as those signify Super Game Boy enhanced Game Boy Colour games). The GBA is the next gen up from the Game Boy line, which includes the Colour (as that had exactly the same hardware as the legacy Game Boy, only with a faster Z80 and a colour LCD display). Also, why would the RuSp remakes be on the 3DS? What logical sense does that make? What generation of main Pokémon game exists on the 3DS? Are Black and White 2 3DS games? As aforementioned, they're 3DS-enhanced, but they're still DS games regardless. Super Pokémon Rumble is a spin-off and not part of the main series, so that doesn't count. Tell me, where is this main Pokémon game on the 3DS?

    Gen 6 will be 3DS, I'm certain of that. If the big announcement is a RuSp remake, it'll most likely be on DS no matter how you slice it. It'll use the Gen 5 engine as well (as HGSS used the Gen 4 engine from Platinum). It would be rather odd for Game Freak to take the risk and release such a remake on the 3DS when there is no main game already out on the hardware. Remember this is all purely speculation.

  28. oussama abroudi Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 14:45

    whats a spin off? and chil guys it will just be an stupid event

  29. Serebii Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 14:51

    DLC is not possible on the DS


    If we're talking about trainer data and tournaments that are accessible via the PWT, then yes it is possible. Whilst all the base data exists in the actual game itself, you still have to download the data for the game to set up each Pokémon in their entirety, as well as give AI code to the trainer to try and replicate how that trainer battled in the VGC's. After all, you can download tournament data that way. Also, while the data is technically already included in the games, the Dream World allows you to download Pokémon and items from their servers, which is treated as DLC. That data is used in-game to create the Pokémon you encountered in the Dream World, setting its nature, ability, IVs etc legally (because you know, anyone with an Action Replay and an ounce of knowledge can hack the game to death). So yeah, it's DLC no matter which way you look at it. Anything you have to download in order to gain additional content, even if it's just hard code that generates said content from within the game, is termed downloadable content.

    Further proof? If you're a Yu-Gi-Oh! TCG player and own any of the NWFC-enabled DS games, you can download banlists every six months to keep your game up-to-date and true to the current rules. ^^;

    If you know my name then you know that I know what I'm talking about. When people use the term DLC in regards to Pokémon, they're not talking about PWT Downloads, WiFi events or Dream World events. They're talking about DLC as in extras, expansions etc.

  30. Toastie Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 14:53

    Why?

    HeartGold and SoulSilver were made because following FireRed and LeafGreen, everybody wanted Gen2 remakes. And why wouldn't they. Anybody around since the start recognises that as the high point of the franchise. Dig them out, return Kanto to full power as they had no memory limitations and boom, they're rolling in money.

    Heck, I still remember the night when HG and SS were shown for the first time, and this forum went ballistic. There has never been such a strong show of support and love for any other Pokémon game.

    But Gen3 never had that undying love and fandom. There are people who love it and would love to see remakes, but that number is hugely reduced in comparison to the cries for Gen2. The simple answer is Gen3 remakes won't happen just yet because they wouldn't make as much money, hence why we got Black and White 2 instead.

    How did we get B2/W2 instead of R/S/E remakes? Surely we got those instead of a Director's Cut e.g. Platinum? Also, the remakes aren't made for those who played the originals, they're made for those who never played them, so I doubt that the overall concensus of those who played R/S/E really matters to Game Freak.

    Besides, R/S sold only 2 million less than B/W, so they were actually pretty popular. Masuda has stated that R/S/E hold a special place in his heart etc. and many fans have contacted him via Twitter about R/S/E remakes, so there is demand for them.

  31. BanksLad Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 15:24

    It's too early for Gen VI. My money is either a spin off game for the Wii U (akin to Stadium or, dare we hope it, Snap) or a 3DS game-but most likely a reboot of Gen III. Though the 'middle child' of the franchise in every aspect, it is the only classic game (as in non DS) without one now and seems like a good transition whilst they create Gen VI. Of course, I would love a Pokemon World game, but that's the least likely of any scenario.

  32. K-tet Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 15:35

    If you know my name then you know that I know what I'm talking about. When people use the term DLC in regards to Pokémon, they're not talking about PWT Downloads, WiFi events or Dream World events. They're talking about DLC as in extras, expansions etc.


    Unfortunately, I know what I'm talking about too, my friend. The general layman will use DLC for the terms you have specified, but I'm talking about the more intrinsic, in-depth detail. You might be well versed in the games, and quite rightly too. Your site is excellent and concise, and a credit to the Pokémon community, but I also know how it works from a coding perspective, which is how Pokémon handles such a concept in this regard.

    DLC doesn't have to be apparently seen as downloading additional content from the internet per se (such as additional levels ala NSMB2), but if the game connects to a server to download and execute code that generates additional content in-game, that is also seen as DLC. The difference here being you can use an Action Replay to edit all the data locally without the need to connect the game to a server to obtain the code in the first place. That's how Pokémon works. It's worked that way since 1996. It's mostly data tables, that's it.

    Edit: If you're still not sure, look to Wi-Fi Mystery Gift events.

  33. VinceLovesToast Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 15:51

    If they dont bring out Ruby Saphire remakes this time they wont have Hoenn starters with the pokemon trainer(if hes brought back) in smash bros U and 3ds
    From the time black and white came out to the time black and white 2 were released they had three side games and one downloadable game and so far they have had two downloadable games but only one side game (if you dont count dream radar as one)

  34. Jarmez Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 15:59

    Black and White 2 are direct sequels to Black and White, in much the same way as Gold and Silver were direct sequels to Red and Blue back in the day. The 3DS had only just been released at the time Black and White were released so it made no sense to port a DS game to the 3DS especially as the system was virtually brand new. Black and White 2 are 3DS-enhanced games, as they make use of the Pokémon Dream Radar, allowing you to upload Pokémon and items you've encountered to your physical copy. They also talk to Black and White as they are, in effect, the same game, just with different content overall. You can trade and battle against anyone that owns any copy of any of those four games, even with their Dream World Pokémon, both locally and online. It keeps with continuity.


    You just answered your own question there, it was for continuity. And as I said before, why release a sequel set in the same region, in the same gen, on a different console? B2/W2 is meant to be a follow up of B/W, where time has passed from the story of B/W, not a whole new game with a new region, with new pokémon. All pokémon from B/W are present in B2/W2, and the game even features some previous gen/region pokémon and some new features, elements not present in the predecessors, but that's it.

    Not quite. Pokémon Gold and Silver will work on a normal Game Boy. They were marketed for the Colour as it was designed for the Colour in mind (see Super Game Boy enhanced Game Boy games). If they were solely Game Boy Colour games, the carts would be transparent, not coloured (as those signify Super Game Boy enhanced Game Boy Colour games).

    That's the point, Nintendo had the mind set of advertising G/S for Game Boy Color, rather than Game Boy. Why do you think that is? To help sell their new product, that's why, and pokémon Gold and Silver were great choices. Game Boy Color was backwards compatible, and Gold and Silver were developed quite late into the Game Boy's life cycle. Nintendo would want to market the hard ware's capabilities, in this case, showcasing the backwards compatibility AND hand held games in colour, amongst other things. I'm guessing Nintendo would want to do the same with regards to 3DS.

    The GBA is the next gen up from the Game Boy line, which includes the Colour (as that had exactly the same hardware as the legacy Game Boy, only with a faster Z80 and a colour LCD display).


    Again, backwards compatibility, a selling point for the console.

    Also, why would the RuSp remakes be on the 3DS? What logical sense does that make? What generation of main Pokémon game exists on the 3DS?

    Why wouldn't they be on 3DS? Let's remember, Nintendo have a new handheld console to sell, having a pokémon game made for it would boost sales. There have been far too many pokémon games on DS, and it's time to move forward onto the 3DS console. Plus, I never said there have been any main generation games on 3DS, just that Ruby/Sapphire remakes would make more sense to be on the console. There will be gen VI, but nothing has been released about it yet.

    Are Black and White 2 3DS games? As aforementioned, they're 3DS-enhanced, but they're still DS games regardless. Super Pokémon Rumble is a spin-off and not part of the main series, so that doesn't count. Tell me, where is this main Pokémon game on the 3DS?

    And? B2/W2 aren't next generation, they're still generation 5, set in the same region, with the same pokémon, and the same characters (some new characters introduced, but only to keep the game story fresh). 3DS enhanced means that they can make use of the functionality of the 3DS, mainly connectivity with 3DS applications and the camera, nothing special. In regards to a new pokémon game - be patient, it will come, when ready.

    Gen 6 will be 3DS, I'm certain of that. If the big announcement is a RuSp remake, it'll most likely be on DS no matter how you slice it. It'll use the Gen 5 engine as well (as HGSS used the Gen 4 engine from Platinum). It would be rather odd for Game Freak to take the risk and release such a remake on the 3DS when there is no main game already out on the hardware. Remember this is all purely speculation.

    No, it would be a bad idea to release it on DS. Nintendo need to sell their 3DS products, not constantly hang onto the DS. Main Pokémon games on 3DS would be instant sellers, and placing the remakes on DS is actually the risk. A main game doesn't necessarily HAVE to be released before remakes, it's advisable, but not mandatory. Don't forget, 3DS is backwards compatible with DS.

  35. Serebii Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 16:18

    If you know my name then you know that I know what I'm talking about. When people use the term DLC in regards to Pokémon, they're not talking about PWT Downloads, WiFi events or Dream World events. They're talking about DLC as in extras, expansions etc.


    Unfortunately, I know what I'm talking about too, my friend. The general layman will use DLC for the terms you have specified, but I'm talking about the more intrinsic, in-depth detail. You might be well versed in the games, and quite rightly too. Your site is excellent and concise, and a credit to the Pokémon community, but I also know how it works from a coding perspective, which is how Pokémon handles such a concept in this regard.

    DLC doesn't have to be apparently seen as downloading additional content from the internet per se (such as additional levels ala NSMB2), but if the game connects to a server to download and execute code that generates additional content in-game, that is also seen as DLC. The difference here being you can use an Action Replay to edit all the data locally without the need to connect the game to a server to obtain the code in the first place. That's how Pokémon works. It's worked that way since 1996. It's mostly data tables, that's it.

    Edit: If you're still not sure, look to Wi-Fi Mystery Gift events.

    I am aware, but what I meant was that in the context of Pokémon, until today, I have never heard people describe WiFi events, Dream World stuff and so forth as DLC. While yes it is, they have never been called it which is why I questioned and countered the post

  36. Accelgor7 Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 16:21

    Please be gen 6! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

  37. K-tet Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 16:32

    I am aware, but what I meant was that in the context of Pokémon, until today, I have never heard people describe WiFi events, Dream World stuff and so forth as DLC. While yes it is, they have never been called it which is why I questioned and countered the post


    Good news is you now know it in finer detail, and it's always good to learn something new. ^^b

  38. ThePokekid78 Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 16:41

    When you think about it realistically, it's unlikely to be Gen 6 just yet; it hasn't even been 2 years since the release of Black/White!

    So my initial thought was: oh, must be Meloetta, it's about time too! But the fact that he said that they intend to 'evolve' Pokemon, makes me think it'll be a new spin-off.....

    Oh well....

  39. Argenthor Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 16:53


    It's almost been 3 years, which is the usual gap between each generation, and the games are probably not going to be released for a while, so it could be gen 6.


    Except they released a brand new set of pokemon games last year! If you think of how long it has been since main pokemon games... it is too soon.

    Which is a shame. But my bet is on a spinoff. Or a new set of trading cards. *sigh*

  40. Smouvy Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 17:01

    I'm not seeing the biggest reason for why a RSE remake is less likely to occur even with FR/LG and HG/SS already having happened, and that has to do with the original intent of FR/LG. FR/LG were made in part because the original games (R/B/Y) and it's successors (G/S/C) had absolutely no way of communicating with the 3rd gen games (R/S/E). They remade the originals so you could, in a sense, convert your 'Gen 1' pokémon to your gen 3 games. It only made sense for them to eventually do the same with the 2nd generation in the form of HG/SS, because that generation, like generation 1, was incompatible with future generations.

    The third generation however is completely compatible with all following generations, as such, the core reason for why the remakes were made in the first place doesn't apply, because you can very much still use that Torchic/Mudkip/Treecko with which you started out your adventure 10 years ago nowadays in Black 2 or White 2.

    That said, I wouldn't say no to a remake of Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald, but it would be kind of superfluous.

  41. smash-4000 Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 17:19

    When you think about it realistically, it's unlikely to be Gen 6 just yet; it hasn't even been 2 years since the release of Black/White!

    So my initial thought was: oh, must be Meloetta, it's about time too! But the fact that he said that they intend to 'evolve' Pokemon, makes me think it'll be a new spin-off.....

    Oh well....

    The announcement was....uh announced at the end of a BW2 trailer so I think it could be a main game. Also, Meloetta has been already released in Japan so that's irrelevant. I wouldn't expect a full blown announcement if it is Gen VI (eg. names and release dates), just confirmation that it will be released this year. They did something the exact same thing with Black and White back in January 2010.

    It's not too soon people. The only reason Gen III and IV were 4 years is because of the remakes. It makes no sense to start a remake on new hardware as opposed to a new game. For the person who said they just released BW2, they did the same thing with HGSS and Black and White. Every year since Platinum, a main series game has come out. Besides, we wouldn't get the game until Spring 2014 anyway.

    Some GF staff started development for Black and White after DP while the others focused on Platinum and HGSS. They most likely are doing the same thing again because it makes sense to start early development for the next installment. You don't start development for another remake after making a remake. The remakes would look vastly different compared to other Gen V games if on the 3DS (unless you just want basically a DS port) and Gen VI style wouldn't be as exciting to people. Also, would the remakes being Gen V games on the 3DS break local compatibility? Just curious. They could implement a way to transfer old Pokemon to the 3DS through Download Play so that wouldn't be a problem. I wouldn't mind RS remakes but I can't see them being next at this point. I do think they will be made eventually for money though.

  42. Serebii Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 17:39

    I am aware, but what I meant was that in the context of Pokémon, until today, I have never heard people describe WiFi events, Dream World stuff and so forth as DLC. While yes it is, they have never been called it which is why I questioned and countered the post


    Good news is you now know it in finer detail, and it's always good to learn something new. ^^b


    To be fair, I did know that already. There is not a thing about Pokémon which I do not know :p

    When you think about it realistically, it's unlikely to be Gen 6 just yet; it hasn't even been 2 years since the release of Black/White!

    So my initial thought was: oh, must be Meloetta, it's about time too! But the fact that he said that they intend to 'evolve' Pokemon, makes me think it'll be a new spin-off.....

    Oh well....

    Hypothetically, if it is a new generation, it's not too soon. Chances are release wouldn't be until September when it'll be 3 years, which is the same length as Gens 1 & 2

  43. helmarocka Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 17:41

    I bet they're introducing permadeath to the franchise ;)

  44. shy guy 64 Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 17:45

    It's not too soon people.

    there is usually a gap of one year between the release of the 3rd version and first game in a new generation so thats probably contributing to why so many think its to early (the exception being that gold/silver where released the year after yellow but that was technically a 4th version) probably dosnt mean a thing, but i thinks its at least worth noting

    so in short id say its to early regardless or whether or not we get gen 3 remakes

  45. Pineapple Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 17:53

    It'll be PokePark 3. I can just see it happening.

  46. King Slazo Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 17:59

    It'll be PokePark 3. I can just see it happening.

    Don't say these things man, don't even go there.

    I mean, the only things worse than that would be Dash 2 or *shudders* Typing Adventure 2...

  47. Myjamjar Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 19:24

    I personally think that it will be a gen 3 remake for the regular ds systems. Did they not put black and white 2 on the regular ds because more people could play the sequel? I think they would do the same so people could play in every region.

  48. Pappi Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 20:10

    Maybe blue and Red 2?

    Though Gen 6 would be more exciting. Gen 5 was a bit rubbish.

  49. Kymberley Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 20:11

    A Ruby/Sapphire remake would be amazing!

  50. K-tet Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 20:53

    @Jarmez: Because I don't have time to sift through a huge wall of text, you've not only agreed and answered the whole point of continuity, but you've also bucked the trend by saying that if these Ruby and Sapphire remakes were to be the case, putting them on the 3DS would be the most logical thing to do. Therein lies the contradiction.

    The 3DS is yet to host an actual Pokémon generation. If you look at the GBA, it had Gen 3, then FR/LG came along using the Gen 3 game engine. For DS, it's Gen 4 to begin with, followed by HG/SS (which used the Gen 4 game engine). Now Gen 5 also exists on DS, so to keep with continuity, the Gen 3 remakes would fit right in. As I said, they would use the Gen 5 game engine, which is different from the Gen 4 game engine. I actually cannot see there being too much of an alteration to the game engine for Gen 6, but because we don't have a Gen 6 game on the 3DS at the moment, why should the remakes exist as a 3DS game and break continuity? Because the 3DS is backwards compatible with DS games, 3DS units will sell for DS games as it's common knowledge that virtually every DS game will work with the 3DS. No with that logic, Gen 6 would be the announcement instead, and not testing the waters with a Gen 3 remake. That in itself makes no real logical sense to me at least. There's always been a true Gen game first before a remake appeared.

    Whatever way it is, and however you wish to preach what you practice, all of this is trivial, and purely speculation.

    It'll be PokePark 3. I can just see it happening.

    Don't say these things man, don't even go there.

    I mean, the only things worse than that would be Dash 2 or *shudders* Typing Adventure 2...


    I have to play this game with you. Forgive me Slazy-boy, but what about a Pokémon Puzzle League 2? =P

    I regret nothing. </PuzzleLeagueFan>

  51. Shmilly Thursday 3rd Jan 2013 at 23:08

    I'm gonna ignore all the speculation and just say what I'd like to see. Either:
    (1) A new Snap game. 3DS would be great for using AR and it'd be a good portable title. Then again, Wii U has the GamePad... but if you've got those gorgeous visuals, it's surely better to be looking at the main screen instead of the 'Pad for 90% of the game.
    (2) A new (or remake) game in the Colosseum series. I really enjoyed those, and the 3DS can more than handle it, or else go full HD mode with the Wii U. It would make a great stepping stone between Gen V and VI, and they can put all those 3D models from the Pokedex Pro into good use.

  52. Lugia Friday 4th Jan 2013 at 01:09

    I also feel that its time for them to release a fully 3D pokemon game which will follow Pokemon Battle Revolution. This would be on Wii U and will be up to date with the Unova pokemon. I'm hoping they bring back the adventure style gameplay seen in Colosseum and XD.

    I'm probably wrong but there's always hope!

  53. Myjamjar Friday 4th Jan 2013 at 10:58

    I also feel that its time for them to release a fully 3D pokemon game which will follow Pokemon Battle Revolution. This would be on Wii U and will be up to date with the Unova pokemon. I'm hoping they bring back the adventure style gameplay seen in Colosseum and XD.

    I'm probably wrong but there's always hope!



    with hopeful ds compatibility!

  54. inuyashaDS Friday 4th Jan 2013 at 18:39

    They've found a way to make real pokemon.

    Duh.

  55. Tigerparadise Friday 4th Jan 2013 at 18:49

    Sigh ... I hope it is not a new generation or game that is exclusive to the 3DS...I just got my first DS, and original, a few days ago and barly know any of the current pokemon because I just got a Unova region game XD

    And am I the only person who does not like remakes .... I love Soul/Heart but I fell that original pokemon game that is remade just gets tossed away and are no longer needed to play to have a game from that generation
    I just dislike remakes seeing that they make the original seem lame and outdated X3

    Now I want a new Pokemon Snap though I do not have a 3DS or Wii U and will not ever or for years
    :cry: I think they are moving to new systems to fast... and I'm afraid of them screwing up Gen. 6 :roll:

  56. Eevee Friday 4th Jan 2013 at 19:03

    Could the announcement possibly be R/S/E remake?

    I doubt it is an R/S/E remake, but I would love the re-explore the Hoenn region, it's one of my favorites.

  57. Toastie Friday 4th Jan 2013 at 19:03

    Update: Pokemon.com has also confirmed a big reveal for January 8th. Looks like it will be a big announcement if it's simultaneous worldwide.

  58. stealth1497 Friday 4th Jan 2013 at 19:10

    I reckon a R/S remake announcement (maybe for the end of this year), I'm wishing dearly for Pokemon Snap and more details on Mystery Dungeon has to be a must along side one of those.

  59. Myjamjar Friday 4th Jan 2013 at 19:30

    I just hope when they said it would be ''evolving'' they don't mean anything too different. I really hope they don't make it a home console game. But then it wouldn't be pocket monsters would it?

  60. CraigEmberson Friday 4th Jan 2013 at 23:35

    For all we know, this announcement could be additional DLC for Black and White 2. However, look at what year we're in. ^.~

    I predict with a fair degree of logic that it will be the Hoenn remasters for the DS. Why? There seems to be an 8-10 year interval for these remasters to surface. FireRed and LeafGreen were released in 2004, 8 years after the original Red and Green cartridges were released in Japan. Likewise, HeartGold and SoulSilver were released in 2010, 9 years after the original Gold and Silver cartridges were released in Europe (10 in USA, 11 in Japan). Ruby and Sapphire were both released in 2003. Now we're in 2013. It's most definitely possible that this is the case. Also, we all know that HeartGold and SoulSilver covered both Johto and Kanto regions respectively (as did the originals), and with both the 4th and 5th Gen games being DS anyway, it stands to reason that Hoenn is the only region that has yet to feature on the hardware. It's all pointing in the right direction for a Hoenn remaster. Educated tuppence for you all.

    What I do believe is that it won't be a 3DS game, but perhaps it'll be a 3DS-enhanced DS game like Black and White 2 are. It's far too early to be releasing a fully-fledged game on the 3DS, especially one that's counter-intuitive to the other versions (in other words, why release a remaster for new hardware?). Gen 6 will most definitely be a 3DS game, I'm certain of that. Perhaps they'll bring it to Wii U as well (though before Game Freak have stated they don't wish to pursue this route). The 3DS can communicate with the DS however, so 6th Gen games should allow you to move Pokémon from say any of the DS games to the 6th Gen in much the same way as the 5th Gen games did is most definitely on the cards.

    I'm definitely looking forward to this announcement in any case.

    There are 2 problems with this:

    1. The 3DS is not a DS - in fact, the 3DS OS shuts down (although some settings like wireless and a way to get back to the menu are allowed during this) to emulate DS games when they are activated. The DS and Wii are 7th Generation, while 3DS and Wii U are 8th Generation consoles.

    2. DS games cannot access DLC because the system it was created for didn't support that or patching. Only 3DS games can access DLC via the eShop... Pokemon COULD just send out a Pokemon through the internet because all the appropriate data is on the cartridge already, it just needs to tell the game to produce a Pokemon with set stats via a signal. All Gen V legendary Pokemon have been revealed anyway, so it can't be that.

    I still believe it is Gen 3 remakes on 3DS - it would help sell more 3DS systems and get people used to Pokemon on that console. Plus, they've been rushing this Gen for a reason - this would be like a bridging gap and other 3DS games have been giving them experience for the main series games.

  61. K-tet Saturday 5th Jan 2013 at 11:25

    I've already explained my reasoning as to how it would work, but I don't mind recapping.

    There are 2 problems with this:

    1. The 3DS is not a DS - in fact, the 3DS OS shuts down (although some settings like wireless and a way to get back to the menu are allowed during this) to emulate DS games when they are activated. The DS and Wii are 7th Generation, while 3DS and Wii U are 8th Generation consoles.


    The 3DS does not emulate DS games. The ARM11 processor contains all the legacy code of the DSi's ARM9 processor, meaning all DS games play natively on the 3DS. Yes, it shuts off the 3DS environment because the DS doesn't use it, but it does this in the same way that the Wii does in respect to GameCube games. Gecko's code is natively supported in Broadway (those are the names of the PowerPC processors found in GameCube and Wii respectively). Before you chirp games like Guitar Hero, that doesn't work because the 3DS lacks the GBA-input port. Also, the 3DS can communicate with the DS via standard wireless in DS mode, however, don't be too surprised if the 3DS can communicate with any DS in 3DS mode. This isn't particularly difficult to do. Wireless is wireless son. The reason why the GBA couldn't with older GB games was due to a difference in voltage for the link cable system. You don't have this problem with standard Wireless LAN. By that logic, the 3DS can also communicate with Wii, but there would be no real point to this.

    If it helps, it doesn't matter what the environment is. Don't think that because the DS is 7th Gen and the 3DS is 8th Gen they won't be able to communicate with each other via standard wireless. They can. It all depends on the content.

    2. DS games cannot access DLC because the system it was created for didn't support that or patching. Only 3DS games can access DLC via the eShop... Pokemon COULD just send out a Pokemon through the internet because all the appropriate data is on the cartridge already, it just needs to tell the game to produce a Pokemon with set stats via a signal. All Gen V legendary Pokemon have been revealed anyway, so it can't be that.


    I've already stated that the DS does support DLC. The way that Pokémon does this is it connects to a server and downloads a string of code that is executed in-game to create the Pokémon (see Mystery Gift, Dream World, PWT etc). All the data that's required exists in game as it stands (which is common knowledge), but if you don't have an Action Replay, you can't access it. Downloading a string of code is still downloading content, it's just not as the general layman would class as content. Serebii did well to make a good discussion out of it, but even the finer detail is still detail, and I look at it from a coders perspective.

    Also, I did mention the Yu-Gi-Oh! DS games. When banlists are updated, you can download the new list direct from their servers. That's DLC. If you want to be technical, that's also patching.

    I still believe it is Gen 3 remakes on 3DS - it would help sell more 3DS systems and get people used to Pokemon on that console. Plus, they've been rushing this Gen for a reason - this would be like a bridging gap and other 3DS games have been giving them experience for the main series games.


    As I said before, they will most likely be on DS, not 3DS. Why? Gen 6 is yet to be announced. It would be too risky to release a remake on the 3DS when there is no bona fide main Pokémon game on the system. Look at FR/LG and HGSS, they were released after the release of a bona fide main gen game, so it makes more sense to keep it that way and not buck the trend. It would alienate fans that want continuity. Not everyone owns a 3DS, and I don't think Gen 3 would help sell the system. Gen 6 will, so to keep with continuity (and the fact it'll use the Gen 5 engine rather than the Gen 4 (see HGSS)), the Gen 3 remakes will most likely be on DS.

    Thus concludes this discussion of ours. Thank you Craig, but your princess is in another castle. =P

    N.B. I wouldn't say Gen 5 has been rushed, but that's just my opinion. Black and White 2 were released to commemorate Pokémon's 15th anniversary, a point almost everyone here has overlooked.

  62. yoshimad Saturday 5th Jan 2013 at 16:46

    REMAKE EMERALD!!! :D I would absolutely fall in love with Game Freak if they did that!

  63. Kirby8 Saturday 5th Jan 2013 at 20:08

    Can't wait!!

  64. Jarmez Saturday 5th Jan 2013 at 23:48

    Judging by your post, K-tet, rather than simply reading through my post and actually looking at my counter points, you've just skimmed through it, rather rude if you ask me.

    @Jarmez: Because I don't have time to sift through a huge wall of text, you've not only agreed and answered the whole point of continuity, but you've also bucked the trend by saying that if these Ruby and Sapphire remakes were to be the case, putting them on the 3DS would be the most logical thing to do. Therein lies the contradiction.


    There is no contradiction. If you had actually read my post properly, you'd notice that I was referring to Black 2 and White 2 in relation to continuity, not the Ruby and Sapphire remakes. Black 2 and White 2 HAD to be on DS, because they were both sequels of Black and White; both were in the same generation, based in the same region, same pokémon. Only differences were that they had a few new characters (to try to keep the game fresh), a Neo team Plasma wanting revenge (a very familiar element, considering Gold and Silver had Team Rocket trying to get revenge), and some other region pokémon thrown into the mix. Heart Gold/Soul Silver were the companion games to Diamond, Pearl and Platinum, but they could also connect to Black and White.

    Why would Nintendo bother to do Ruby and Sapphire remakes on DS, when you could connect the originals via GBA port on the original DS, get them through Pal Park in Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, Heart Gold and Soul Silver, then send to Black and White, then send them to Black 2 and White 2? It's that easy. Also, why would Nintendo remake games onto a generation console after the originals? That's not how Nintendo work. I understand that not everyone would have Ruby and Sapphire on GBA, but Nintendo don't actually care, and like any business, they'd want to make as much money as possible. Nintendo would want to sell their hardware, their 3DSes are high priority now. How many DS games can you see that are being released in future? How many of them are First Party, Nintendo games?

    The 3DS is yet to host an actual Pokémon generation.


    Who says that this announcement will be about the remakes? Who says that remakes would be before gen VI? Like I said before, gen VI would likely be before any remakes, but Nintendo could break this pattern. Remember when everyone was expecting Pokémon Grey, a third game into the series? Then it turned out to be 2 games that were actually sequels. It broke everyone's expectations.

    If you look at the GBA, it had Gen 3, then FR/LG came along using the Gen 3 game engine. For DS, it's Gen 4 to begin with, followed by HG/SS (which used the Gen 4 game engine). Now Gen 5 also exists on DS, so to keep with continuity, the Gen 3 remakes would fit right in. As I said, they would use the Gen 5 game engine, which is different from the Gen 4 game engine.


    Who says that the remakes would have the same engine as Black 2 and White 2? Because you say so? Remember Black 2 and White 2 broke the barrier of expectation. The fact that they were actual sequels, rather than a 3rd game with a little bit of extra content, breaks this rule. Obviously there won't be a giant leap in visuals, but remember that Black 2 and White 2 didn't take as long to do as Black and White, as they used many things from before (Sprites, music, tiles, you name it. Obviously they added things here and there). Black 2 and White 2 were released 1 year after Black and White.

    I actually cannot see there being too much of an alteration to the game engine for Gen 6, but because we don't have a Gen 6 game on the 3DS at the moment, why should the remakes exist as a 3DS game and break continuity?

    Seriously, look at how many main pokémon games are on DS: Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, Heart Gold, Soul Silver, Black, White, Black 2, White 2. 9 games. 9. Is that not enough for this generation? Ruby and Sapphire remakes could very well be companions to gen VI games.

    Because the 3DS is backwards compatible with DS games, 3DS units will sell for DS games as it's common knowledge that virtually every DS game will work with the 3DS.

    And? You're not getting the point are you? Black and White were released on DS in 2010, rather than 3DS. This was because the 3DS wasn't out then, and Black and White had already been in production long before the 3DS had been finalised (3DS launched in 2011). Then a year later, 3DS is released, and Black 2 and White 2 had also been released. Why were they not on 3DS? Well obviously putting sequels in the same generation and in the same region onto a different console wouldn't make any sense. Also, since 3DS had only been released, not that many Pokémon fans would've bought the console and be familiar with it. A good strategy there.

    No with that logic, Gen 6 would be the announcement instead, and not testing the waters with a Gen 3 remake. That in itself makes no real logical sense to me at least. There's always been a true Gen game first before a remake appeared.

    Who says this announcement is for the remake? People are making their speculations as to what it could be for, that’s the point of the article. I admit it's too soon for any remakes to be released, but that still doesn't mean that Ruby and Sapphire remakes won't be on 3DS.

    You've also forgotten one important factor: Pal Park. As mentioned earlier, Pal Park basically allowed you to connect your GBA games, including Ruby and Sapphire, to your DS games via the GBA slot on the old DS system. Pokémon from the Hoenn region could be transferred (one way, non-returnable) to Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, Heart Gold and Soul Silver, which could then be transfered (again one way) to Black and White via the PokéTransfer (via Wi-Fi, using 2 DS systems). It is also possible to capture Hoenn pokémon in through Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, Heart Gold, Soul Silver, Black, White, Black 2, White 2, Pokéwalker, and the Dream World in some form. So why would they need to have remakes of Ruby and Sapphire on DS, and not 3DS, if that's the case? It's all very well saying "continuity", but it's pointless to have the remakes on DS for the Hoenn pokémon, when they're available through some method, in the other games anyway.

    If it helps, it doesn't matter what the environment is. Don't think that because the DS is 7th Gen and the 3DS is 8th Gen they won't be able to communicate with each other via standard wireless. They can. It all depends on the content.

    See that's the problem here. You say it would be bad for the remakes to be on 3DS, and should be on DS, what it would matter. There'd be some way to connect the 3DS pokémon games to the DS games, though not in the same sense as Pal Park, due to the fact that the 3DS and DS games share the same slot. It would have to be via a form of Wi-Fi connection, which I have no doubt Nintendo would come up with a solution for.

    Whatever way it is, and however you wish to preach what you practice, all of this is trivial, and purely speculation.

    Well, yeah, that's the point of this article, to speculate. We won't know for sure what this announcement will be, until Tuesday 8th. However, I must point out that in no way did I ever say that the announcement was for Ruby and Sapphire remakes. If you had read my post properly, you would've seen that. That's what happens when you skim comments =P

    You seem to reiterate that the remakes would be better off on DS, and not 3DS, because "it would be too risky to release a remake on the 3DS when there is no bona fide main Pokémon game on the system". How would you know this? How do you know that Game Freak hadn't had 2 separate teams working on different games at the same time? For all we know, one team could've been working on Black 2 and White 2, whilst another could've been working on (and still currently working on) gen VI games for the past 2 years. Perhaps they have been, all information kept secret from the public, and Black 2 and White 2 were just to keep us off the scent. Remember, Black, White, Black 2, and White 2 could've all been on 3DS, but they weren't because the 3DS was still in development at the time.

    It was probably still in prototype and development stages. Consoles don't just get made, just like that, and get released, there's a whole load of processes to get through. That's why gen V was on DS instead, because the 3DS wasn't ready, and the fact that people wouldn't necessarily get the 3DS as soon as it was released (amongst other reasons Nintendo and Game Freak need to confirm). If/when the remakes are released on 3DS, those who don't have the console, that's their problem. Sorry to be blunt, but Nintendo don't care if you don't have the console. They'll expect you to buy one to play the games that get released for it. It's called marketing, and it’s part of business. After all, Nintendo is a company that needs money; each employee needs to earn money for a living, to get food, pay mortgages, and other essentials. Not that the people who moan and groan about particular games or hardware, including Nintendo fanboys, will even understand this. They just want what they want, and when they want, without regarding anyone else. It's quite sad.

    I also think that you're jumping to conclusions about how the remakes will be using the gen V engine. There's something wrong with this statement. It would be likely that gen VI will be released first (as you have already said before), then why would the remakes use the gen V engine? That's silly. You wouldn't go backwards, you'd want the series to, excuse the pun, evolve. That way there will be continuity from gen VI. I think you're looking at it at an incorrect angle. I agree that LG/FR used the same engine as R/S/E, and HG/SS used the same engine as D/P/Plat. However, what makes you think that the remakes will use the B/W/B2/W2 engine?

    Why would there be the need for two remakes (or technically 4 remake games) on the same system? The GBA had remakes (LG/FR), the DS had remakes (HG/SS), so it's only fair to have R/S remakes on 3DS to accompany the gen VI games. I don't want you to think that I'm picking on you in particular here; I'm just trying to state reasons for having the remakes on DS wouldn't add up, and addressing you about this, to counter your points about why the remakes should be on DS. I must also re-quote this statement:

    For compatibility reasons, they can't have a game switch to the 3DS mid-generation. It'd cut off compatibility with the other games online due to the differences in the Nintendo WiFi Connection and Nintendo Network and the fact the two aren't intercompatible. Plus, there's no support for the DS anymore so...

    That's one of the reasons why Black 2 and White 2 were on DS, rather than 3DS. There's no DS games (or at least hardly any) being released in the future. I can't see any first party, Nintendo games being released*. Pokémon Black 2 and White 2 are the latest first party games that have been released on DS, and that was several months ago. Developers are finally stopping their support of the DS system, and moving onto 3DS. This is a perfect time to have both gen VI, and the Ruby and Sapphire remakes, on 3DS. On the other hand, if Nintendo decide to release the remakes on DS, for some strange reason, then that's their decision, and fair enough. I respect their decision, whatever they decide to do.

    Nonetheless, there is another possibility. Game Freak could do another Gold/Silver/Crystal and Heart Gold/Soul Silver moment, and feature 2 regions in the gen VI games: gen VI's region, and the ability to travel to Hoenn and back. It's unlikely, but it could work. It would save having to go through the new game -> remake -> new game cycle (though Black 2 and White 2 broke this cycle anyway). Since this announcement is being released worldwide, rather than just in Japan, this must be something exciting.

    If it does end up just some spin off or something to do with event downloads, with all this hype building up, people will not be happy to say the least. Thus includes my very long post. I will not include a tl;dr version of this post, read it, don’t be lazy.

    *Interestingly, when Nintendo of Europe had redesigned their website, the DS section had been removed completely. Only the support sections remain now by the looks of it. the US and Japanese sites still have it though.

  65. K-tet Sunday 6th Jan 2013 at 18:58

    WARNING: Big wall of text.
    Apologies to all, but I'm going to post this here instead.

    Judging by your post, K-tet, rather than simply reading through my post and actually looking at my counter points, you've just skimmed through it, rather rude if you ask me.


    Actually, I didn't skim through it at all. I'll happily cherry-pick through some things though, but you need to understand that I'm actually talking both logically and speculatively, and am passing my opinion. After all, if there is no logic, there is no tangible theory.

    First of all, don't be rude. I'm allowed to speculate as much as you are. My opinions are my opinions. You don't have to agree with them, but they're still my opinions. If you don't like my opinions, just agree to disagree.

    Who says that the remakes would have the same engine as Black 2 and White 2? Because you say so? Remember Black 2 and White 2 broke the barrier of expectation. The fact that they were actual sequels, rather than a 3rd game with a little bit of extra content, breaks this rule. Obviously there won't be a giant leap in visuals, but remember that Black 2 and White 2 didn't take as long to do as Black and White, as they used many things from before (Sprites, music, tiles, you name it. Obviously they added things here and there). Black 2 and White 2 were released 1 year after Black and White.


    Black and White 2 featured no improvement over the Gen 5 engine at all. You might say it had more visual effects etc, but those effects existed in the original Gen 5 engine (with some of those visuals carried forward from Gen 4). Black and White 2 broke expectations on content, but the engine remained the same as in Black and White. Things about it being true sequels etc is irrelevant as that's just about in-game content. Black and White 2 is literally Black and White version 2, unlike say Gold and Silver which were not only true sequels to Red and Blue (in terms of timeline and story), but actually had a much improved game engine and battle engine to boot (two new types, IVs, other edits under the hood etc), so that's what I mean. The Gen 5 engine was improved over the Gen 4 engine mostly in terms of the game engine itself. The battle engine remained pretty much exactly the same (just with tweaks for Triple and Rotation Battles, plus bugs fixed for certain moves in Double Battles, the rest was the same as Gen 4). In regards to connectivity with the Gen 4 games via Black and White 2, it's the same as in Black and White without any difference whatsoever, so that point is completely moot.

    As far as Gen 3 connectivity via the DS goes, most people actually either have a DSi or a 3DS, and GBA connectivity has been phased out over that period of time. Also, it's a bit of a long and wasted shot to transfer them from GBA to 4th Gen (Pal Park), and then trade from 4th Gen to 5th Gen (PokéLab Transfer). Not everyone will have two DS systems (in fact I'd argue there are many that may only have just the one). I'm afraid that's not my point. Those that are new to Pokémon may not know of the GBA versions (which is a possibility, even if you see it as a remote one). I'd rather see those remasters on a system everyone has access to. We know the 3DS can play DS games, and those that don't have a 3DS can experience such a remake on their DS system, whether they have an old DS, or a DSi XL.

    In regards to your argument of Nintendo selling 3DS units, yes, that's a given, but if a Ruby and Sapphire remake were to be on the 3DS, it wouldn't fit the bill for many people. Again, continuity. There is no Gen 6 game on the 3DS at the moment (as we pretty much know, there will be, unless Game Freak pull the plug on the series), so why should a Gen 3 remake be on the 3DS? ...

    You can argue all you want about Nintendo wishing to sell 3DS units, but that'll be what Gen 6 will bring to the table, not a Gen 3 remake. For the sake of continuity, if there is to be a Gen 3 remake, it will most likely appear on the DS using the Gen 5 engine. The 3DS has a good library of games that are coming out during this year, and a Pokémon remake in my opinion wouldn't really boost sales (though a main game absolutely would). Yes, you could argue it will boost it, but the patterns and history will tell you that a main gen game engine has existed on certain hardware first before a remake has surfaced thereafter, so if we take the Gen 3 engine (which had a Gen 1 remake), we know that the Gen 4 engine had the Gen 2 remake (rather, engine 4.2, as HGSS were based on Platinum's engine, which had a few minor tweaks from Diamond and Pearl), it makes sense (to me at least) that Gen 5 will host the Gen 3 remake (as Gen 5's engine hasn't changed at all, not even Black and White 2 has any changes to its game engine). Remember, this is all on game engines, not just the platform in which the remakes will feature. If Gen 5 was on 3DS, then sure, Gen 3 will follow on 3DS. That's logical really.

    Also, it's irrelevant and quite rude on your part to sneer on speculation. The truth is, the 3DS is yet to host an actual Pokémon generation. Super Pokémon Rumble is a spin-off game (as is Pokémon Dream Radar if you will). There is yet to be a main Pokémon game on the 3DS. That's not just my point, that's fact. I'm hoping it is a Gen 3 remake (as are quite a few people here), but I also understand it could be about anything. A Gen 3 remake would be a remaster using what Gen engine? It could act as a precursor to Gen 6, but it seems more logical to close the DS Pokémon games with those remakes using the Gen 5 engine. You feel differently to that, and that's fine. If we can't agree, agree to disagree. It's as simple as that.

    Now to tackle what I said:

    I actually cannot see there being too much of an alteration to the game engine for Gen 6, but because we don't have a Gen 6 game on the 3DS at the moment, why should the remakes exist as a 3DS game and break continuity?


    You then go on to say:

    Seriously, look at how many main pokémon games are on DS: Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, Heart Gold, Soul Silver, Black, White, Black 2, White 2. 9 games. 9. Is that not enough for this generation? Ruby and Sapphire remakes could very well be companions to gen VI games.


    The last point (in bold) is a fair speculative analogy and I'm inclined to say "Yes, they could well be", but the rest is quite ignorant. I'm not talking about the number of Pokémon games that are on the DS, I'm talking about the game engines (and subsequently, the generations) themselves. Gen 5 uses a more refined game engine than Gen 4. Parts of Gen 4 were carried over (as is standard in Pokémon, the game engine is constantly improved with all the improvements being carried over, it has been this way since Gen 1), but there is no difference in the Gen 5 engine used in Black and White 2 compared to Black and White. Platinum, HeartGold and SoulSilver were tweaks on the original Gen 4 engine (subtle tweaks, but still tweaks). If, let's say, we do get the Ruby and Sapphire remakes, what's wrong with them using the Gen 5 engine? Is it a problem that if this was the case, there would be too many Pokémon games on the DS? The DS hosts Generations 4 and 5. HeartGold and SoulSilver are Gen 4 remakes, so what's wrong with the logical theory that the Gen 3 remakes will use the Gen 5 engine? Black and White 2 featured no change from Black and White (and actually, I prefer Black and White 2 to say, a Pokémon Grey), so by that logic, Gen 3 remakes using the Gen 5 engine for DS? Definitely more plausible than releasing them on the 3DS if I'm honest.

    Because the 3DS is backwards compatible with DS games, 3DS units will sell for DS games as it's common knowledge that virtually every DS game will work with the 3DS.

    And? You're not getting the point are you? Black and White were released on DS in 2010, rather than 3DS. This was because the 3DS wasn't out then, and Black and White had already been in production long before the 3DS had been finalised (3DS launched in 2011). Then a year later, 3DS is released, and Black 2 and White 2 had also been released. Why were they not on 3DS? Well obviously putting sequels in the same generation and in the same region onto a different console wouldn't make any sense. Also, since 3DS had only been released, not that many Pokémon fans would've bought the console and be familiar with it. A good strategy there.


    First of all, Pokémon Black and White were released in 2011, NOT 2010. The 3DS was only JUST released at the time Black and White WERE released. Game Freak were given a 3DS SDK ahead of schedule just so that they could play with it. You can use that as your own ammo but, not knowing the release date of Black and White and then saying the 3DS wasn't released then is a massive error of judgement on your part. Also, I'd like you to point out where the error is in say, again, we have a 3rd Gen remake on DS, that people won't buy a 3DS just for that game? People who buy a 3DS yes do buy the system for its own games, but knowing the system is backwards compatible with their DS games means they are not missing out on that huge library the DS has had built over 7 years. If the 3rd Gen remakes are available on the DS, anyone with a 3DS can buy the game and play it on their system (which again keeps with continuity). The Gen 3 remakes would be targeted at their fans, so it's irrelevant really. It keeps with continuity. I'm not disputing whether Black and White 2 should have been released on the 3DS or not. If you're using that as a counter-point for why the Gen 3 remakes (again if that's the announcement) shouldn't be on DS then you've missed the point. I'll say it again, HeartGold and SoulSilver used the Gen 4 engine. The Gen 3 remakes would make more sense using the Gen 5 engine, which is already tried, tested, and true, without the need to spend extra development time porting the engine to a new system (with a completely different code base). Game Freak can push that out of the door, sign it off, and spend all of their time working on Gen 6 without any setbacks. I don't see an issue here. You only care about 3DS hardware sales, and I only really care about the possibility of a Gen 3 remake to close the DS line of games (which hosts Gen 4 and Gen 5) with a bang. Gen 5 and Gen 4 are different generations. It doesn't matter if they're on the same hardware. Gen 2 and Gen 1 are different generations and arguably they were created on the same hardware (as Gold and Silver were designed for the Gameboy Colour in mind, but do work on the legacy Gameboy systems to keep with continuity. There's a definite pattern here!)

    Also, I'm not discussing whether or not you can get the Hoenn Pokémon in the other DS games. That's not my point. My point is you can't explore the Hoenn region using the Gen 4 or Gen 5 engines on a proper DS cart (flash cards and hacks don't count). I'm sure there are people that would want to play through the Hoenn region using the Gen 5 game engine. Black and White-style graphics for the Hoenn region? That would be excellent. I'm sure there will be people that want to play that game on their DS system of choice, and no, playing the GBA games via the GBA port on a standard DS holds no water whatsoever. We're talking about remakes, not the originals (so that rules Pal Park out too). If we're talking about continuity, why would it be pointless for the Hoenn remakes to be on the DS? Continuity is the magic word. HeartGold and SoulSilver, which are Gen 4 remakes, cater for both the Johto and Kanto maps, so that's Gen 1 and 2 sorted. So, if a Ruby and Sapphire remake were to appear using the Gen 5 engine, that would sort Gen 3 out, and you'll have all five generations on one platform. Continuity = sorted.

    If it helps, it doesn't matter what the environment is. Don't think that because the DS is 7th Gen and the 3DS is 8th Gen they won't be able to communicate with each other via standard wireless. They can. It all depends on the content.

    See that's the problem here. You say it would be bad for the remakes to be on 3DS, and should be on DS, what it would matter. There'd be some way to connect the 3DS pokémon games to the DS games, though not in the same sense as Pal Park, due to the fact that the 3DS and DS games share the same slot. It would have to be via a form of Wi-Fi connection, which I have no doubt Nintendo would come up with a solution for.


    Actually on that point it would be Gen 4 and 5 games working with Gen 6 in terms of trading etc, so that's even more to the point that if the announcement is Gen 3 remakes, and they are on DS (using the Gen 5 engine), then you wouldn't be breaking continuity. You wouldn't even need the GBA games any more as the remakes would make them defunct. It also prints Nintendo more money and keeps the dedicated fans happy.

    All five generations on one platform? Excellent.
    Those games are playable on the 3DS? Yes, because the 3DS plays DS games and keeps with continuity.
    There's continuity for everyone, therefore everybody wins! \o/

    Continuity is such a magical word isn't it?

    You seem to reiterate that the remakes would be better off on DS, and not 3DS, because "it would be too risky to release a remake on the 3DS when there is no bona fide main Pokémon game on the system". How would you know this? How do you know that Game Freak hadn't had 2 separate teams working on different games at the same time?


    Game Freak are a very small company, and wouldn't have two sets of development teams to work on two 'core' titles at the same time (perhaps one core and one spin-off, but not two core titles). A lot of their spin-off's were made during the development of their core titles (e.g. Gold and Silver amongst a plethora of different spin-offs, such as Pokémon Puzzle League/Challenge, Snap, Stadium etc) with the help of other companies (HAL Labs, Nintendo EAD, Intelligent Systems etc). I'll say it again, the release of a remake on the 3DS adds to development time (so an announcement on that wouldn't be feasible in this timescale). If you think about the time it took for Game Freak to work on Black and White 2 after Black and White, they wouldn't have worked on it solidly (as they were reusing the Gen 5 engine, as aforementioned), but even so, they still wouldn't have had enough time to make a solid Pokémon game engine for the 3DS. Yes, they've made 3D models for Pokédex 3D, but that only gives them a starting point. Think about how long it would take for them to remake the 3rd Gen games using the Gen 5 engine in such a short amount of time (also factoring in HarmoKnight, which was also in development during the time of Black and White 2). The amount of time between Black and White 1 being finished, and this announcement (being nearly two years, from 2011 to 2013) is just enough time for them to produce Black and White 2 and a Gen 3 remake based on the same engine (given the amount of time it would take to port the map over, remaster the music etc, which isn't too taxing and wouldn't take too long either). If they were going to make the announcement for a Gen 3 remake on the 3DS, we wouldn't really hear much of an announcement until this coming Christmas.

    I also don't see how I'm jumping to conclusions as you put it. Gen 6 will appear on the 3DS first, that's a given. So, if this announcement turns out to be Gen 3 remakes, why would they be on the 3DS at such an early stage? It's far easier to push the Gen 3 remake out the door using the Gen 5 engine, and then concentrate all their efforts into working on the Gen 6 game in its entirety (game engine, content, etc). I think you've jumped to conclusions. Gen 6 isn't even out yet.

    To pick you up on this:

    I think you're looking at it at an incorrect angle. I agree that LG/FR used the same engine as R/S/E, and HG/SS used the same engine as D/P/Plat. However, what makes you think that the remakes will use the B/W/B2/W2 engine?


    Because it makes the most logical business sense. For all the reasons posted above (which I hope you've read), if the announcement is for a Gen 3 remake, it would make more sense, given the timing, that they will appear on the DS using the Gen 5 engine. I don't see why it's such a big deal for it not to be on the DS. Again, it keeps with continuity, and it allows Game Freak to sign off all five generations, and allows them to concentrate all of their resources on Gen 6. Yes, you can argue that Gen 3 remakes would make more sense using the Gen 6 engine, but we'd be waiting a lot longer for those. Also, if that was the case, you'd be left with questions from hardcore and dedicated Pokémon fans wondering why the Gen 3 remakes were on the 3DS, and not Gens 1, 2, 4 or 5. Nintendo want to keep their customers happy, so switching the Gen 3 remake to the 3DS isn't the way to go about it. Let Game Freak spend all of their time dedicated to creating the Gen 6 engine for the Gen 6 main game, and whatever remakes they then wish to pursue thereafter, but if, as you say, this announcement is just for something that we don't feel is worth the hype (albeit, self-generated hype, as it is with announcements from game companies these days), then of course we'll question it, but in reality, will only have ourselves to blame for setting such expectations.

    So yes, I believe that if the announcement is for Gen 3, they will use the Gen 5 engine to finally sign off all those generations. I've stated my reasons as to why this would be the case, and been both logical and methodical in my reasoning. That's my entire opinion, and it holds water given what we have so far (in a collective sense). If you don't agree with my opinion, then we'll agree to disagree and that'll be the end of this discussion. You may choose to continue discussing this, but I don't see any further point. I've explained my reasoning, therefore I have nothing further to discuss.

  66. BanksLad Sunday 6th Jan 2013 at 21:01

    Does anyone know how/when the announcement is going out? And can we watch it live?

  67. K-tet Sunday 6th Jan 2013 at 21:19

    I don't know actually. I thought it might just be a press announcement made some time on Tuesday.

    Perhaps Serebii knows. ^^

  68. Waymon Monday 7th Jan 2013 at 11:20

    Pokemon Raging Ruby, Soothing Saphire perhaps?

  69. Jarmez Monday 7th Jan 2013 at 12:04

    I must apologise to everyone here, but I must get something across here. K-tet, I have absolutely no idea as to how my post was seen as rude. Rudeness is not part of my personality, and it's rather difficult to display emotion or form expression on the internet, unless there's the odd smilies or exclamation marks here or there. If it did seem rude, I must apologise, but that was not my intent.

    Black and White 2 featured no improvement over the Gen 5 engine at all. You might say it had more visual effects etc, but those effects existed in the original Gen 5 engine (with some of those visuals carried forward from Gen 4). Black and White 2 broke expectations on content, but the engine remained the same as in Black and White. Things about it being true sequels etc is irrelevant as that's just about in-game content. Black and White 2 is literally Black and White version 2, unlike say Gold and Silver which were not only true sequels to Red and Blue (in terms of timeline and story), but actually had a much improved game engine and battle engine to boot (two new types, IVs, other edits under the hood etc), so that's what I mean. The Gen 5 engine was improved over the Gen 4 engine mostly in terms of the game engine itself. The battle engine remained pretty much exactly the same (just with tweaks for Triple and Rotation Battles, plus bugs fixed for certain moves in Double Battles, the rest was the same as Gen 4). In regards to connectivity with the Gen 4 games via Black and White 2, it's the same as in Black and White without any difference whatsoever, so that point is completely moot.

    Whilst I agree that Black 2 and White 2 keep most of the same things as Black and White, there were points in the story that helped explain things that happened after Black and White. The medals system was a nice touch, but I agree, there wasn't really much else to it.

    As far as Gen 3 connectivity via the DS goes, most people actually either have a DSi or a 3DS, and GBA connectivity has been phased out over that period of time. Also, it's a bit of a long and wasted shot to transfer them from GBA to 4th Gen (Pal Park), and then trade from 4th Gen to 5th Gen (PokéLab Transfer). Not everyone will have two DS systems (in fact I'd argue there are many that may only have just the one). I'm afraid that's not my point. Those that are new to Pokémon may not know of the GBA versions (which is a possibility, even if you see it as a remote one). I'd rather see those remasters on a system everyone has access to. We know the 3DS can play DS games, and those that don't have a 3DS can experience such a remake on their DS system, whether they have an old DS, or a DSi XL.

    Whilst I understand that not everyone has 2 DSes, the key principles of Pokémon are to Capture, Battle, and Trade. That's why versions have exclusives, so it would make you trade with people with another version to get those pokémon in order to complete the pokédex. Those who missed out on the GBA games can either trade from people who do have the pokémon, or obtain them elsewhere from a pokéwalker or through Dream World. Don't forget that people can trade via Wi-Fi through Global Link, with people around the world, so obtaining gen III isn't exactly difficult to do in gen V. It makes a DS remake rather pointless if you ask me. The only reason for it now is for money.

    In regards to your argument of Nintendo selling 3DS units, yes, that's a given, but if a Ruby and Sapphire remake were to be on the 3DS, it wouldn't fit the bill for many people. Again, continuity. There is no Gen 6 game on the 3DS at the moment (as we pretty much know, there will be, unless Game Freak pull the plug on the series), so why should a Gen 3 remake be on the 3DS? ...

    You can argue all you want about Nintendo wishing to sell 3DS units, but that'll be what Gen 6 will bring to the table, not a Gen 3 remake. For the sake of continuity, if there is to be a Gen 3 remake, it will most likely appear on the DS using the Gen 5 engine. The 3DS has a good library of games that are coming out during this year, and a Pokémon remake in my opinion wouldn't really boost sales (though a main game absolutely would). Yes, you could argue it will boost it, but the patterns and history will tell you that a main gen game engine has existed on certain hardware first before a remake has surfaced thereafter, so if we take the Gen 3 engine (which had a Gen 1 remake), we know that the Gen 4 engine had the Gen 2 remake (rather, engine 4.2, as HGSS were based on Platinum's engine, which had a few minor tweaks from Diamond and Pearl), it makes sense (to me at least) that Gen 5 will host the Gen 3 remake (as Gen 5's engine hasn't changed at all, not even Black and White 2 has any changes to its game engine). Remember, this is all on game engines, not just the platform in which the remakes will feature. If Gen 5 was on 3DS, then sure, Gen 3 will follow on 3DS. That's logical really.

    I said that gen VI would likely be released first didn't I? If this is the case, and it'll be likely to happen, then making remakes in gen V engine so soon after gen VI would seem backwards. Heart Gold and Soul Silver indeed used Diamond, Pearl and Platinum's engine, and they were released after the latter. Would people expect remake games, having being released after new gen VI games, to be in a previous engine? It seems illogical. If Nintendo do use the gen V engine for the remakes and put them on DS, I'll hold my hands high and admit I was wrong. However, I just can't see why Nintendo would place them so late in the DS' life cycle. That's what I've been trying to say here.

    Also, it's irrelevant and quite rude on your part to sneer on speculation. The truth is, the 3DS is yet to host an actual Pokémon generation. Super Pokémon Rumble is a spin-off game (as is Pokémon Dream Radar if you will). There is yet to be a main Pokémon game on the 3DS. That's not just my point, that's fact. I'm hoping it is a Gen 3 remake (as are quite a few people here), but I also understand it could be about anything. A Gen 3 remake would be a remaster using what Gen engine? It could act as a precursor to Gen 6, but it seems more logical to close the DS Pokémon games with those remakes using the Gen 5 engine. You feel differently to that, and that's fine. If we can't agree, agree to disagree. It's as simple as that.

    I didn't "sneer" speculation, nor was I rude. The only person who I have disagreed with, is yourself. I haven't said "oh you're wrong about what you think" or "no, you shouldn't speculate this", this is a misconception of the message in my post. By all means, you can say what you wish about the remakes being on DS and not 3DS, I'm just pointing out that disagree with your reasons, and trying to discuss my points why it should be on 3DS, which is the whole point of a debate.

    The last point (in bold) is a fair speculative analogy and I'm inclined to say "Yes, they could well be", but the rest is quite ignorant. I'm not talking about the number of Pokémon games that are on the DS, I'm talking about the game engines (and subsequently, the generations) themselves. Gen 5 uses a more refined game engine than Gen 4. Parts of Gen 4 were carried over (as is standard in Pokémon, the game engine is constantly improved with all the improvements being carried over, it has been this way since Gen 1), but there is no difference in the Gen 5 engine used in Black and White 2 compared to Black and White. Platinum, HeartGold and SoulSilver were tweaks on the original Gen 4 engine (subtle tweaks, but still tweaks). If, let's say, we do get the Ruby and Sapphire remakes, what's wrong with them using the Gen 5 engine? Is it a problem that if this was the case, there would be too many Pokémon games on the DS? The DS hosts Generations 4 and 5. HeartGold and SoulSilver are Gen 4 remakes, so what's wrong with the logical theory that the Gen 3 remakes will use the Gen 5 engine? Black and White 2 featured no change from Black and White (and actually, I prefer Black and White 2 to say, a Pokémon Grey), so by that logic, Gen 3 remakes using the Gen 5 engine for DS? Definitely more plausible than releasing them on the 3DS if I'm honest.

    It's not ignorant at all. If the remakes are being released after gen VI games, which seems likely, then that's what conclusion I'll get to. I'm not against the whole idea of the remakes using the gen V engine, what I'm against is the fact that they're to be on DS rather than 3DS. Again, what would be the point in releasing the remakes on DS, if they do well get released after gen VI games, which would be released on 3DS? You wouldn't release one lot of Pokémon games on 3DS, then go backwards and release another lot on DS, that wouldn't make any sense.

    First of all, Pokémon Black and White were released in 2011, NOT 2010. The 3DS was only JUST released at the time Black and White WERE released. Game Freak were given a 3DS SDK ahead of schedule just so that they could play with it. You can use that as your own ammo but, not knowing the release date of Black and White and then saying the 3DS wasn't released then is a massive error of judgement on your part.


    It's no error. If you'd noticed, you'd see that I was using the Japanese release year, rather than the release year for the rest of the world. Black and White were released in Japan on September 2010, whilst everywhere else, they were released in March 2011. Don't forget that the Pokémon games will release in Japan before anywhere else, and it usually takes several months between due to localisation (translation into 5 languages, region conversion, etc). If anything, if gen VI or remakes were confirmed to be released in Japan in the Autumn this year, then it's likely we won't have the games until 2014. That's how it works. Even though Heart Gold and Soul Silver used the same engine and style as Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum, it still took Game Freak 3 years to make. It has been 2 years since Black and White were released in Japan, plenty of time to work on a new game. However, if the remakes do use the gen V engine, that's not to say that it isn't for 3DS.

    Also, I'd like you to point out where the error is in say, again, we have a 3rd Gen remake on DS, that people won't buy a 3DS just for that game? People who buy a 3DS yes do buy the system for its own games, but knowing the system is backwards compatible with their DS games means they are not missing out on that huge library the DS has had built over 7 years. If the 3rd Gen remakes are available on the DS, anyone with a 3DS can buy the game and play it on their system (which again keeps with continuity).

    People wouldn't want to buy the 3DS console to play DS games, they'd want to play 3DS games on there. And even if they do want to play DS games and not 3DS games, they could just buy a DS console on the cheap.

    The Gen 3 remakes would be targeted at their fans, so it's irrelevant really. It keeps with continuity. I'm not disputing whether Black and White 2 should have been released on the 3DS or not. If you're using that as a counter-point for why the Gen 3 remakes (again if that's the announcement) shouldn't be on DS then you've missed the point. I'll say it again, HeartGold and SoulSilver used the Gen 4 engine. The Gen 3 remakes would make more sense using the Gen 5 engine, which is already tried, tested, and true, without the need to spend extra development time porting the engine to a new system (with a completely different code base). Game Freak can push that out of the door, sign it off, and spend all of their time working on Gen 6 without any setbacks. I don't see an issue here. You only care about 3DS hardware sales, and I only really care about the possibility of a Gen 3 remake to close the DS line of games (which hosts Gen 4 and Gen 5) with a bang. Gen 5 and Gen 4 are different generations. It doesn't matter if they're on the same hardware. Gen 2 and Gen 1 are different generations and arguably they were created on the same hardware (as Gold and Silver were designed for the Gameboy Colour in mind, but do work on the legacy Gameboy systems to keep with continuity. There's a definite pattern here!)

    The fact that you use "continuity" and "same engine" over and over again as your only argument just means that you haven't really thought about it. You're missing the point. The reason why Gold and Silver were able to play on Game Boy Colour was because the console was backwards compatible, it's all part of trying to sell the hardware. It's the same with the original DS where you could play GBA games on there. And it does matter that gens IV and V are on the same console.
    If you want to bring up patterns, gen I was on GB, and whilst gen II was supposed to be for GameBoy, they were marketed towards Game Boy Colour, hence why on the packaging it says Game Boy Colour, rather than Game Boy. Then gen III was on GBA, and the first remakes LG/FR were released on the system. Following this, Diamond, Pearl and Platinum, gen IV, were released on DS, and then soon after wards HG/SS remakes. So that means that each gen was made for a generation console. Now we look at gen V, it should have been on the next console, 3DS, but it wasn't. Since the 3DS wasn't ready, it's only natural for it to be placed on DS. If gen VI is on 3DS, and then R/S remakes are released afterwards, don't you think it's weird to be releasing them on DS, thus making it seem that Nintendo are going backwards? It would be almost as bad as Sony still clinging onto PS2 all this time (12 years now).

    Also, I'm not discussing whether or not you can get the Hoenn Pokémon in the other DS games. That's not my point. My point is you can't explore the Hoenn region using the Gen 4 or Gen 5 engines on a proper DS cart (flash cards and hacks don't count).


    Doesn't mean there will be remakes necessarily. After all, as King Slazo said before, gen III remakes won't have as much demand as gen II remakes did. Even though Nintendo said that they weren’t going to release GBA game on eshop, they may have changed their minds, and release Ruby and Sapphire on eshop. Though it's likely that Nintendo will release remakes.

    I'm sure there are people that would want to play through the Hoenn region using the Gen 5 game engine. Black and White-style graphics for the Hoenn region? That would be excellent. I'm sure there will be people that want to play that game on their DS system of choice, and no, playing the GBA games via the GBA port on a standard DS holds no water whatsoever. We're talking about remakes, not the originals (so that rules Pal Park out too). If we're talking about continuity, why would it be pointless for the Hoenn remakes to be on the DS? Continuity is the magic word. HeartGold and SoulSilver, which are Gen 4 remakes, cater for both the Johto and Kanto maps, so that's Gen 1 and 2 sorted. So, if a Ruby and Sapphire remake were to appear using the Gen 5 engine, that would sort Gen 3 out, and you'll have all five generations on one platform. Continuity = sorted.

    I'm sure people would probably want to explore Hoenn in newer visuals and with a new engine, but saying gen III remakes will definitely be in the gen V engine is jumping to conclusion. Think about it, if gen VI releases first (which is likely to be the case), then wouldn't it be better to use a newer engine? Why go backwards? Why release games with the gen V engine after releasing gen VI that has a new engine? It doesn't make sense if you ask me.

    Actually on that point it would be Gen 4 and 5 games working with Gen 6 in terms of trading etc, so that's even more to the point that if the announcement is Gen 3 remakes, and they are on DS (using the Gen 5 engine), then you wouldn't be breaking continuity. You wouldn't even need the GBA games any more as the remakes would make them defunct. It also prints Nintendo more money and keeps the dedicated fans happy.

    Yes, but placing it on a new console adds far more money in terms of selling hardware. Hardware is an important factor, which you don't seem to get. It's all very well saying that Nintendo should release all gens on one console, but it's rather pointless supporting an old console, when a new one is out. Black 2 and White 2 were the last first party games released for the DS system, they were released in Japan on June 23 2012, in Europe on October 12 2012, and in the US on October 7 2012. Nothing else has since been released for the system by Nintendo. If gen VI gets released on 3DS first, which is very likely, then after some 3 or more years they would release gen III remakes on 3DS as well.

    All five generations on one platform? Excellent.
    Those games are playable on the 3DS? Yes, because the 3DS plays DS games and keeps with continuity.
    There's continuity for everyone, therefore everybody wins! \o/

    Continuity is such a magical word isn't it?

    Continuity is your only argument then.

    Game Freak are a very small company, and wouldn't have two sets of development teams to work on two 'core' titles at the same time (perhaps one core and one spin-off, but not two core titles). A lot of their spin-off's were made during the development of their core titles (e.g. Gold and Silver amongst a plethora of different spin-offs, such as Pokémon Puzzle League/Challenge, Snap, Stadium etc) with the help of other companies (HAL Labs, Nintendo EAD, Intelligent Systems etc).

    That's rather irrelevant, Game Freak didn't work on spin offs at all. It was left to other development teams, and they probably only had input from Satoshi Tajiri (creator of series) and Ken Sugimori (pokémon designer/illustrator) from Game Freak.

    I'll say it again, the release of a remake on the 3DS adds to development time (so an announcement on that wouldn't be feasible in this timescale). If you think about the time it took for Game Freak to work on Black and White 2 after Black and White, they wouldn't have worked on it solidly (as they were reusing the Gen 5 engine, as aforementioned), but even so, they still wouldn't have had enough time to make a solid Pokémon game engine for the 3DS.

    There are 90 employees in Game Freak. Half could have worked on Black 2 and White 2 (or maybe less), and the other half on a 3DS game. Once Black 2 and White 2 were completed, the employees that worked on said games would move onto the 3DS game, thus all 90 would then work on the 3DS game until it's done. You seem to forget that the game won't necessarily be done for this year (though it could be out by Autumn at the earliest for Japan). That's 3 years since Black and White). Announced games don't necessarily have to be released the same year. That's why developers use events like E3 and announcements like this, to get people hyped up for the games.

    Yes, they've made 3D models for Pokédex 3D, but that only gives them a starting point. Think about how long it would take for them to remake the 3rd Gen games using the Gen 5 engine in such a short amount of time (also factoring in HarmoKnight, which was also in development during the time of Black and White 2). The amount of time between Black and White 1 being finished, and this announcement (being nearly two years, from 2011 to 2013) is just enough time for them to produce Black and White 2 and a Gen 3 remake based on the same engine (given the amount of time it would take to port the map over, remaster the music etc, which isn't too taxing and wouldn't take too long either). If they were going to make the announcement for a Gen 3 remake on the 3DS, we wouldn't really hear much of an announcement until this coming Christmas.

    Black and White were completed in September 2010 in Japan, so we should only use the Japanese release as the factor here, not the European one, meaning it'll be 3 years from this September (around about where it's likely for any game as big as gen VI to be released). Here you're basing on whether gen III would be released first, but you then said to me that gen VI would be first. Quite a contradiction there. If anything, gen VI would indeed be released first, considering how much demand it has in comparison to gen III, and on 3DS. Then if gen III remakes are released afterwards (about 3 years I'm guessing), then why would they place the remakes on DS, so soon after releasing gen VI on 3DS...?
    Also, Pokédex 3D isn't a game, it's an eshop app developed by Creatures Inc., rather irrelevant here. HarmoKnight is also on eshop, but is a small game, one which wouldn't take as much time as a retail game like the main pokémon games. Plus I didn't say this announcement was for Ruby and Sapphire remakes, I actually said this:

    This is probably related to the anime, film or series. Or as some one said, it could just merely be for a Wi-fi event.

    I also don't see how I'm jumping to conclusions as you put it. Gen 6 will appear on the 3DS first, that's a given. So, if this announcement turns out to be Gen 3 remakes, why would they be on the 3DS at such an early stage? It's far easier to push the Gen 3 remake out the door using the Gen 5 engine, and then concentrate all their efforts into working on the Gen 6 game in its entirety (game engine, content, etc). I think you've jumped to conclusions. Gen 6 isn't even out yet.

    See above.

    Because it makes the most logical business sense. For all the reasons posted above (which I hope you've read), if the announcement is for a Gen 3 remake, it would make more sense, given the timing, that they will appear on the DS using the Gen 5 engine. I don't see why it's such a big deal for it not to be on the DS. Again, it keeps with continuity, and it allows Game Freak to sign off all five generations, and allows them to concentrate all of their resources on Gen 6. Yes, you can argue that Gen 3 remakes would make more sense using the Gen 6 engine, but we'd be waiting a lot longer for those. Also, if that was the case, you'd be left with questions from hardcore and dedicated Pokémon fans wondering why the Gen 3 remakes were on the 3DS, and not Gens 1, 2, 4 or 5.
    Nintendo want to keep their customers happy, so switching the Gen 3 remake to the 3DS isn't the way to go about it. Let Game Freak spend all of their time dedicated to creating the Gen 6 engine for the Gen 6 main game, and whatever remakes they then wish to pursue thereafter, but if, as you say, this announcement is just for something that we don't feel is worth the hype (albeit, self-generated hype, as it is with announcements from game companies these days), then of course we'll question it, but in reality, will only have ourselves to blame for setting such expectations.

    You see this is where I see a contradiction. You keep saying that the remakes wouldn't be released on 3DS before gen VI, and then say that they'd be released after wards on a previous gen console? That doesn't make any sense. Also, I don’t think you speak for every “hardcore” and dedicated fan out there. Don’t you think that they would get the game, regardless of what console it is on? This is what Nintendo is counting on. Out with the old (DS), in with the new (3DS).

    So yes, I believe that if the announcement is for Gen 3, they will use the Gen 5 engine to finally sign off all those generations. I've stated my reasons as to why this would be the case, and been both logical and methodical in my reasoning. That's my entire opinion, and it holds water given what we have so far (in a collective sense). If you don't agree with my opinion, then we'll agree to disagree and that'll be the end of this discussion. You may choose to continue discussing this, but I don't see any further point. I've explained my reasoning, therefore I have nothing further to discuss.

    I've stated my reasons (which are as logical and “methodical”), and I've shown my opinions, of which you've shot down numerous times. My opinion won’t change, so let’s agree to disagree then, and leave it at that. I don’t see the point in continuing this, especially when it continues to go around in circles, and the word “continuity” is being overused. Please don’t continue this, and don't accuse me of being rude, as I'm not being rude, I'm just pointing out my opinions in relation to having 3DS remakes. Roll on Tuesday 8th, whatever it may bring.

    Does anyone know how/when the announcement is going out? And can we watch it live?


    The announcement will probably be available on the official Pokémon websites. Whether it'll be live or not, is uncertain, but I guess Serebii, ONM and every other news site that mention pokémon news will report it.

  70. K-tet Monday 7th Jan 2013 at 12:39

    Roll on tomorrow folks. We've laid our chips down. =D

    Edit: The ship's just hit the sand. There will be a Nintendo Direct dedicated to the announcement starting at 20:00 JST (11:00 GMT). Japan link's here: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/pokemon/direc ... index.html
    UK link's here: http://www.nintendo.co.uk/Misc-/Nintend ... 98557.html

    Game on.

  71. Nathan Locke Tuesday 8th Jan 2013 at 11:10

    here's hoping that they finally listened to the fans and have made or are in the process of making a mass Pokemon game incorporating all 5 (or maybe all 6) generations, i swear if they do that ill be dick riding Nintendo for the rest of eternity :mrgreen:

  72. BanksLad Tuesday 8th Jan 2013 at 11:11

    WHAAAAAAT. A NEW GAME?! And world wide release at the same time. Incredible. Whoever called Gen VI, hats off to you. You were bang on it.

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