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PS4: Should Nintendo fans worry?

Editor-In-Chief Chandra gives his take on the PS4 announcement and how it affects Nintendo fans

Sometimes it's hard being a Nintendo fan. We put all our faith in a company that, ultimately, doesn't exist to please us but instead needs to please its shareholders. But Nintendo is different isn't it? It IS there for us. It ISN'T just a business. And that's the biggest difference between the hardware manufacturers for me.

What other company would brush off end-of-year targets in favour of making a game the best it could be? What company in its right mind would push back Luigi's Mansion 2 so far that the majority of people forget when it was even announced... all in the name of making the perfect game?

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The games nearly always deliver and that's why we stick by them. Even their worst is better than many developers' best. But by God do they make us suffer for it. The years of anguish waiting for that glimmer of a hope of a sequel to our favourite franchise... because one day, probably, it'll arrive and it'll feel like a personal love letter from God.

And then there's the competition. When was the last time a Nintendo console enjoyed technical parity with its main competitors? It was a long time ago. For a few brief months the Wii U has enjoyed the moniker of being the most powerful home console on the market but only one game, Need For Speed: Most Wanted, utilises that power and proves the Wii U's superiority before the next set of consoles showed off their wares and dragged the goal posts further down the field.

There's a point to my rambling of course. Some things will never change. Some hardware manufacturers will keep striving to stretch the envelope of what is graphically possible. Others will always strive to expand the user experience and create something new and exciting.

It doesn't matter that the PS4 has been announced. It doesn't matter that it can output graphics superior to what we can expect on Wii U. You may buy a PS4. You may not. One thing's for sure though; you won't ever get Nintendo games on another console.

You'll never experience the sublime joys of Pikmin 3. You'll never grin from ear-to-ear at the multiplayer perfection of Mario Kart. You'll never feel the unadulterated joy of exploration of a true 3D Mario game. For these gems you will always need a Nintendo console.

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  1. row101 Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 09:00

    Well said Chandra. Pretty much sums up why I love Nintendo. There is not a single game that can match the exploration of Zelda, the multiplayer of Mario Kart, the retro-style awesomeness of Mario.

  2. Spyrolad Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 09:01

    Power is not my concern. It's certainly nice to have it but I'm still buying NES games! If I can enjoy games from 20-30 years ago, then the difference between PS4 and Wii U is hardly going to be a problem!

  3. tohaker Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 09:11

    I still don't get PS4... It's the Wii U - but more expensive? :?

  4. ChandraONM Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 09:21

    I still don't get PS4... It's the Wii U - but more expensive? :?

    It's a powerful piece of kit with exciting potential. . . but a) the controller allows little gameplay innovation and b) ultimately it all comes down to the games. Prettier versions of existing games just aren't enough. I'm sure there will be decent titles but right now I'm far more interested in Nintendo's titles. That's my honest opinion.

  5. mushroomchow Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 09:22

    I'm not particularly bothered. I was tempted by the PS4 following the rumour mill, but last night confirmed to me that nothing beats a good game line up. Aside from Knack (admittedly looks amazing) and being intrigued by The Witness, there was absolutely nothing that interests me, just standard FPS / Adventure / Driving fodder. As before. The Wii U already has a much more balanced line-up of games.

    The seamless online is never going to work in a world where universal fibre optic broadband is still at least a decade away. You can't seriously expect players to seamlessly send off 15 minutes of HD game footage in seconds, stream games as they're being downloaded and run a reliable HD, 60fps gaming experience without lag on the back of a 6Mbps connection?

    And then there's the graphical capabilities. Want our amazing new Super HD graphics? Yeah, just go out and buy a Sony Bravia Super HD TV for a few thousand pounds, the year after finally shelling out for universal HD Ready TV's and you're good to go. Otherwise, it's going to look no better than the current generation on today's 720p and 1080i/p TV's. Pull the other one.

    My only regret is staying up til 1AM. On the plus side, it probably saved me upwards of Ł500 that I can spend on new games. You know, the reason I play games.

    Now roll on E3, hopefully we'll get a proper look at Ouya and Steambox, the consoles I'm actually interested in.

  6. Abe hikura Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 09:25

    I'm not worried about nintendo, they can survive on just their games, but i hope this acts as a kick up the backside.
    The Wii U needs more games and it needs them yesterday. Where is stuff like the battlefield's and the other announced games from 2 years ago. Where is stuff like Mass Effect Trilogy and older titles like Arkham Asylam and bayonetta for nintendo fans who didn't buy 360/Ps3 some quick ports even as downloads will help populate the Wii U's library and help people care about new entries.
    The Wii U versions need to stop being so late...

    phew rant over ^^
    somethings never change, sony pinching ideas from nintendo

  7. lminett Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 09:31

    Im sure the PS4 fans enjoyed the presentation last night, and i can't blame them for that, its about time they got some solid information about a new console. I also watched it and quite frankly i was quite board, not because of what they were showing off, but mainly because it felt like the show was very flat, lacked any personality. When i watch Nintendo at E3 for example, it always comes across as a fun show, everything seems more vibrant. Most likely Nintendo showing games that aren't muddy shooters helps makes their presentations a lot more interesting.

  8. K-tet Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 09:36

    Nintendo fans should worry if Sony deliver on the cloud and social aspects, that's pretty much it. Game-wise? Unless you're a dudebro, then the only fans that should be worried are the XBOX fans. Nintendo have always been different.

    Yesterday's Tsar Bomba dropped by Sony into the gaming world is still very much a radioactive pit of baron wasteland. Any collateral damage etc is yet to be measured. We don't know too much about the system yet as it stands, but Sony's stance is to go the Clarkson route, with POWER in abundance. However, the PS4, for me, is a Sony-branded PC with features 'politely borrowed' from other devices. That's not to say that it's a bad thing, especially with Nintendo themselves being at the forefront of innovation, but there comes a time where Sony must push the Vita, lest it's doomed to failure.

    Someone I know believes the PS4 will make the Wii U obsolete once it hits the shelves, but they seem to have completely overlooked how bad Sony are doing on the whole. Sony's stocks as a business are virtually worthless, their electronics division has taken a serious battering from both a stagnating Yen and rival companies elsewhere selling the same kind of technology for cheaper (e.g. LG, Samsung). Their Walkman line has all-but-vanished thanks largely to the iPod, and likewise their phones are suffering (much like HTC is) due to the prevalence of other Android-devices and the iPhone. The PS3 only achieved moderate success, and the PSP a little less than that. The Vita is failing even as we speak, so this truly is the last throw of the dice Sony have. They've literally gone all-in, so it's do or die for them.

    If the PS4 fails, Sony are dead. There is no other way of putting it. Nintendo cannot tank the industry on its own and the Wii U will most likely continue to suffer due to media perception, which have made it somewhat clear that they want Nintendo hardware to die and for Nintendo to become a Third-Party developer. Why I have no idea. It seems mighty unfair. Anyway, the media seems to believe the big fight will be between Microsoft and Sony for the Eighth Generation, so let Nintendo slip quietly into the shadows.

    One thing is for sure, the PS4 won't be cheap upon release. Don't be surprised if the price tag is upwards of Ł500.

  9. JoeOdranDoran Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 09:47

    All that really matters in the end are the games.

    The PS4 might have that advanced tech, but unless its games are good, it won't count for anything. That's what frustrated me so much about the announcement - there were so many fancy words, but with so little emphasis on upcoming content.

    The Wii U will be a success if it can get plenty of good games out (both 1st, 2nd and 3rd party) It's exactly the same for the PS4. Honestly, I hope they both manage it, for the sake of the games industry as a whole.

  10. El_Marco1983 Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 09:48

    To answer the question, no. Nintendo fans need not worry, they will always make great games and that will continue. Third party support for Wii U seems much better than the shameful showing on Wii and it doesn't seem to have been taken as the 'party' console quite yet, which from a gamers perspective is good news.

    However, some of the hardware choices for Wii U seem puzzling to me. I do agree that it isn't always about how many polygons a machine can throw at the naked eye, Wii U certainly packs a sufficient punch in the graphics department. I don't care that it is only as powerful graphically as current gen PS4 and Xbox, I like those graphics, they're good enough. I do care about what that extra power means for the games in terms of the things which it can do on a technical side. Wii U is a technical wizard, sure, but only to the level of current gen consoles with a fancy controller. The PS4 and Xbox (whatever it will eventually be called) will take games to places which the Wii U simply cannot. There is an argument that the Wii U can take you places which the others can not, that's true enough, but when only first party games are doing that then there doesn't seem any point.

    Part of that though is down to the skill of the developer, and Nintendo are one of the best. I just worry that in a few years when developers are harnessing the full potential of the Xbox and PS4, showing off all their fancy tricks, whether or not first party games will be enough to keep people with Nintendo or whether they'll just use their Nintendo for Mario, Zelda, etc and play everything else elsewhere. I've seen it written somewhere that companies nearly always make a loss console wise (that is price per console over cost of manufacture) and rely on game sales to make the money.

    It remains to be seen I suppose, I personally just wish Nintendo would make a fully balls-out machine which is on par with the others in terms of technical ability. they haven't done that since the Gamecube and that was a LOOOOOOOOOONNNNNGGGGGG time ago. I rant only as a long time Nintendo fan who has become increasingly frustrated with the direction Nintendo has headed since the launch of the Wii, I stuck by my Wii for a long time, hell, I still have it. I was waiting and waiting for some good games which Nintendo weren't responsible for...there was some. Unfortunately, I can count those on both my hands without the need for any more fingers and that is a poor showing for a console which had a 6 year lifespan.

  11. shadow663 Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 10:00

    Whilst I love the Wii U, Im a little worried that down the line the same thing will happen that happened with the Wii - that 3rd party devs will see that its not as powerful as the other consoles and will give up developing for it and we will miss out of some great games again

  12. Ezme Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 10:02

    I'll be buying a PS4. Eventually anyway.

    I am what apparently is now a "core" gamer (don't know where the hard bit went!) so I want power and some of the PS3 exclusives are amazing (Heavy Rain anyone?) but I love Nintendo too. I expect different things from them. Nintendo is about not to serious fun, giggling with your mates, graphics that are cartoonish because they're supposed to be. I am RIDICULOUSLY excited by project X, I'm on my 3rd play through of Xenoblade Chronicles and going for completionist.

    But..... I use my PS3 more. It's the centre of my media world of an evening, I watch Blu Rays and divx/mp4 files on it as well as gaming, music and internet.

    Price point may have won it for this year but eventually I'll have both I'm sure.

  13. dave666 Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 10:05

    I read on opm's website that the ps4 specs are similar to the wii u's or as they said "other console"

    The thing about sony is that they are always overpriced and only the rich or sony fanboy's will shell out for it, that's their con. But their pro is that when it comes to exclusives, sony are bang on the mark and even if you don't like sony nobody can question the quality of their exclusive games.

    And unless nintendo up their game, then sony and microsoft will steal the ball from ninty. Whenever there is competition, you should always worry, and nintendo should be worried so they can grow and make themselves better as a company.

  14. MasterfulVivi Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 10:11

    I think Nintendo fans should worry, simply because in the last few years Nintendo have become seemingly complacent. Once the wonder of being the first 'next-gen' console wears off we have to take a look at the future and be realistic. Nintendo has some great 1st-party devs and make fantastic games, but third-party? It looks like it'll have to have something pretty special up it's sleeve to keep a lot of games on-par with the PS4, and I'm not sure the GamePad will be big enough to fill the void. However, I'll get both as usual and will enjoy the best of both worlds.

    Finally, I should also make a note on the stereotype of 'bro' games being on the PS4 and those alone. The 7th gen had a lot of absolutely fantastic games which weren't ANYTHING of the sort, such as Journey, Ni No Kuni, Final Fantasy XIII (to some), 3D Dot Game Heroes, Fez, Super Meat Boy etc, and I hope that the new generation continues to deliver. Similarly, I don't know what you mean on the lack of quality of Sony FP games. GT5, the GoW's, Uncharted's, Sly Coopers and Infamous' of the PS3 were all very highly recieved. It's a bit like the Wii; they both had their amazing and lackluster releases.

  15. debris Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 10:14

    Well I was one of those who decided to stay up and watch the whole thing ( I own a PS3 as well as the WiiU ), tech wise it looks good as you would expect but game wise it was making me yawn, nothing to original on the game play front, Media Molecule's sculpture demo looked interesting the rest just seemed like prettier versions of games we have all played a 100 times and no matter how good they look that beauty soon wears thin if the game play isn't there, I think it's Xbox fans who should be worried, I personally have only ever bought Nintendo consoles not because of their power but for their games.

    Sure they are aiming for you to be able to play all your PS4 games on your Vita but that means most people would need to buy both and that would likely cost around Ł700 plus a lot more than the WiiU, Sony had better hope the economy picks up around the world because people just don't have money to blow right now which I'm sure is having a effect on WiiU sales so certainly will on a much more expensive console even more so when there is another one from MicroSoft also on sale next to it, as before its going to come down to the games and so far Nintendo for me anyway has the best.

    Did anyone else Booo when the guy from Ubisoft stepped on stage?..... Lol

  16. Knightendo Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 10:16

    Nintendo smashed the competition with the amount of Wiis sold, so third party developers were foolish to ignore it after a couple of years. They could've created some great games which went down an artistic route rather than realism, and used the controllers for unique gameplay. If the games had been high quality they would've sold by the bucketload on such a popular machine and they could've taken advantage of the most popular console. But they didn't, they were lazy so their crap didn't sell, and the result was a lack of games for the #1 selling machine. It was ludicrous.

    As for the PS4, I was completely underwhelmed. The PS Vita thing is an obvious copy of Nntendo (what a shock) and a desperate bid to sell the handheld, and the "new" controller is quite rubbish. I don't care about the power, the whole thing underwhelmed and smacks of desperation, as they are in serious financial trouble. Supporting the new Super HD in this new console when new TVs are sparse and won't be affordable for a few years yet is a very synical move which could backfire in time for them, they're hoping to force people to upgrade other electronics with Sony equipment through this console, a very un-customer friendly thing to be thinking, whereas Ninendo are always customer focused,

    I'm not worried. But even if it was an awesome machine I wouldn't be, as I've chosen what I want for my own reasons and that's it.

  17. ToxicJosh Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 10:18

    I'll be honest; I don't like Sony. I've not had a full catch up on the news just yet but don't expect to be wowed when I do; their take always seems to be about pushing power without any thought to the user experience and then ripping off Nintendo's (and to a lesser extent Microsoft's) innovations.

    Literally everything Sony has ever done has been done before (analogue sticks, rumble, shoulder buttons, move, eyetoy, motion control, networking, dlc, store). Oh wait, they were the first to put a DVD player in a console; their big innovation.

    Should Nintendo fans be worried? No, we have the Wii U, Nintendo will put their first parties on it and that's why we're here. Let the Sony Dudebros have their moment; if it doesn't work it could well be Sony's last console.

  18. El_Marco1983 Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 10:24

    Well I was one of those who decided to stay up and watch the whole thing ( I own a PS3 as well as the WiiU ), tech wise it looks good as you would expect but game wise it was making me yawn, nothing to original on the game play front, Media Molecule's sculpture demo looked interesting the rest just seemed like prettier versions of games we have all played a 100 times and no matter how good they look that beauty soon wears thin if the game play isn't there, I think it's Xbox fans who should be worried, I personally have only ever bought Nintendo consoles not because of their power but for their games.

    Sure they are aiming for you to be able to play all your PS4 games on your Vita but that means most people would need to buy both and that would likely cost around Ł700 plus a lot more than the WiiU, Sony had better hope the economy picks up around the world because people just don't have money to blow right now which I'm sure is having a effect on WiiU sales so certainly will on a much more expensive console even more so when there is another one from MicroSoft also on sale next to it, as before its going to come down to the games and so far Nintendo for me anyway has the best.

    Did anyone else Booo when the guy from Ubisoft stepped on stage?..... Lol

    you raise an interesting point. The current economic climate is important to how many consoles will get sold. in a round about way, Nintendo could come out of this smelling of roses. Price point is key to both ps4 and xbox's success.

  19. ToxicJosh Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 10:39

    Well I was one of those who decided to stay up and watch the whole thing ( I own a PS3 as well as the WiiU ), tech wise it looks good as you would expect but game wise it was making me yawn, nothing to original on the game play front, Media Molecule's sculpture demo looked interesting the rest just seemed like prettier versions of games we have all played a 100 times and no matter how good they look that beauty soon wears thin if the game play isn't there, I think it's Xbox fans who should be worried, I personally have only ever bought Nintendo consoles not because of their power but for their games.

    Sure they are aiming for you to be able to play all your PS4 games on your Vita but that means most people would need to buy both and that would likely cost around Ł700 plus a lot more than the WiiU, Sony had better hope the economy picks up around the world because people just don't have money to blow right now which I'm sure is having a effect on WiiU sales so certainly will on a much more expensive console even more so when there is another one from MicroSoft also on sale next to it, as before its going to come down to the games and so far Nintendo for me anyway has the best.

    Did anyone else Booo when the guy from Ubisoft stepped on stage?..... Lol

    you raise an interesting point. The current economic climate is important to how many consoles will get sold. in a round about way, Nintendo could come out of this smelling of roses. Price point is key to both ps4 and xbox's success.

    I think we could see a spike in Wii U sales when the PS4 and Nextbox prices are announced if people consider them to be too high/ bad value. The Xbox division isn't exactly sitting pretty either, we could have a VERY interesting generation on our hands. (I also expect the next Ninty home console to launch midway through it, say 2018/19, several years before PS5 or Xbox 1080)

  20. CyberGW Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 10:44

    Brilliantly said Chandra.
    All I've seen of the PS4 is more power, better graphics but no innovation at all. Like you said, the games they showed were just games with better graphics and quicker loading times.
    Nothing exciting or unique.
    The Wii U with it's GamePad and Miiverse has changed gaming, not just added more power.
    And as you said before, we still have exclusive Zelda, Mario, Pokemon, LEGO City, Bayonetta, Wonderful 101, Pikmin and many more. Many of which hold the title of some of the best games in history.
    We have nothing to worry about. Sony has offered a bunch of hardware, but with no soul.

  21. wizardgamer94 Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 11:02

    Nintendo always seem to deliver and get out of difficult spots. No matter what Nintendo console you have there is a great library of games to go with them or in the case of the WiiU and 3DS great upcoming games. Being a Nintendo fan has never been more exciting :D!

  22. Robbo-92 Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 11:10

    Not really, while the PS4 will have better graphics than the Wii U, the difference will be nowhere near the difference between the Wii and PS3 so this means that the Wii U will still have plenty of third party support as the announcement of WatchDogs kind of shows as it was only going to be released for Ps3 and Xbox 360 but now is being released for the Wii U, hopefully we will get Star Wars 1313 as well :)

  23. Gamerfreak77 Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 11:13

    This article clearly explains why I love Nintendo & always will. I'm not worried in the slightest, cause I know Nintendo will continue to deliver the amazing gaming experience that no other company can match. My very first home console was the NES way back in the late 80s, and Nintendo hasn't disappointed me once in making amazing games. It is, and should be about the GAMES after all, NOT about the graphical grunt of a system :D

  24. kallymsmarties Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 11:30

    I completely agree. We can't even go on about the price because 1, no console has shown and two, no price and to make it sound ever more pointless, we did not even see what his Touch pad does? It was the only thing that would of caught my interest compared to a share button which any console could of simple with a bit of software.

  25. Shinnos Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 11:38

    I started watching the PS4 announcement online last night to see what was going to be revealed, and eventually stopped watching because I was just bored. All the talk about GPU, CPU, and even a polygon graph(!) just felt really tedious. When are they going to show the games?!? And then when they did... oh, it's another FPS followed by a racing game... *yawn*. The Move sculpture thing looked interesting, although I'm not quite sure how it would be utilised in the future, and shortly after that I stopped caring and switched off.

    Compare that to the Nintendo Direct clip you posted the other day with Iwata and Miyamoto playing around wearing Luigi hats, and you pretty much sum up what I love about Nintendo. They genuinely seem to be having fun making games, rather than worrying about how many polygons it takes to create Mario's moustache.

  26. Shinnos Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 11:40

    The seamless online is never going to work in a world where universal fibre optic broadband is still at least a decade away. You can't seriously expect players to seamlessly send off 15 minutes of HD game footage in seconds, stream games as they're being downloaded and run a reliable HD, 60fps gaming experience without lag on the back of a 6Mbps connection?

    I found that part of it particularly amusing when most people on my Twitter feed and online seemed to be having real problems just streaming the actual conference...

  27. TheImprobableOne Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 11:44

    It is rather worrying that all the technical advantages the PS4 will have over the Wii U may cause developers to develop for the more advanced console (or consoles in the X-Box 720 arrives anytime soon), and Nintendo fans will once again be relegated to getting ports or simply getting overlooked. The chances of Wii U getting exclusives such as Bayonetta 2 will also drop, just look at what happened to Rayman before even the PS4 was announced. Hopefully us not even getting to see the PS4 means the Wii U will get some more time to bask in the sun yet.

    Also, does anyone know where this drop to Ł259.99 has occurred?

  28. OrangeRakoon Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 11:46

    It does as you say at the end of the day come down to the games, which is why you can't really be drawing any conclusions yet. PS4 was announced early to get the jump on Microsoft, who will probably be announcing the next XBox at E3 this year. It's E3 where we will see the big, exclusive, AAA games from Sony for the PS4. If they'd shown them all off now then they wouldn't have anything for E3 and the run up to the Christmas release, which is still a long way away. Sure we saw what Sucker Punch have been working on, namely a new inFamous game, but as for other developers, like NaughtyDog's other team, who we don't know what they are up to, and I think we will find out when E3 comes around. When we see the launch line-up and launch window games for PS4, then we can make a proper analysis and see quite how Nintendo will fare.

    Nintendo will always have Nintendo games, and the early release of WiiU means that it will have a decent install base and do okay in the near future. The PS4 definitely outclasses it in terms of tech and capabilities though, especially the social integration which Nintendo have only just caught up to PS3 and 360 level with. The question is, 6 years down the line, when we're a good way into the next gen, will WiiU still be there or will it by that point be a small footnote as it simply won't be able to match up to what is possible on PS4 and the new XBox. For now it can match the PS3 and 360, even outperform them, and so it has 3rd party support. But that may drop off in a year or two.

  29. vtheyoshi Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 11:55

    Nah, Nintendo fans shouldn't worry, we have the better games.

  30. Modeyv2 Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 12:01

    I don't understand all of these blind nintendo fans... Im neutral for all consoles and i can see that Sony's exclusives are superior and so is the console, i have played on a Wii U, but the games just wernt good enough to keep me away from my xbox and ps3 and buy a Wii U. Looking at games such as inFamous, Killzone, Uncharted, The last of us. Im really tired of these crappy kiddy sequel games. I really want something mature on the Wii U! That isnt already a port from the PS3 and XBOX.

  31. onmsam Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 12:05

    Chandra you are amazing!

  32. ToxicJosh Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 12:15

    I don't understand all of these blind nintendo fans... Im neutral for all consoles and i can see that Sony's exclusives are superior and so is the console, i have played on a Wii U, but the games just wernt good enough to keep me away from my xbox and ps3 and buy a Wii U. Looking at games such as inFamous, Killzone, Uncharted, The last of us. Im really tired of these crappy kiddy sequel games. I really want something mature on the Wii U! That isnt already a port from the PS3 and XBOX.

    Infamous is a generic open world game
    Killzone is a generic brown fps
    Uncharted is a generic rip off of Tomb Raider
    The Last of Us... looks pretty interesting

    Aside from The Last of Us and Little Big Planet, Sony exclusives are all fairly generic and boring.

    Yes, Nintendo does overuse it's characters and designs some times, but overall there is a wealth of quality gameplay that you can't find with other publishers.

  33. smashbros-kid Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 12:24

    Once again the two consoles are so different it's difficult to compare. I'll likely do the same as I did with the last generation, have the Nintendo console, which I already do, and also get the new xbox. As a video game fan, it's difficult to play all the major releases with just one system any more.
    I can see the next generation going the same way as the last, Nintendo blaze their own trail and the other two battle it out. I'll use my Wii U for the great exclusives and use my xbox for the multi-platform games and their own exclusives.
    In an ideal world I'd get all the consoles but it's a matter of cost. Last generation the decision to get an xbox was big for me, but by late 2008 it became clear that the Wii did not have enough good games to satisfy me. After playing some great games on the system I want to play some more. I'm still a big nintendo fan, but I'd now say I was also a video games fan.
    Should Nintendo be worried? They're not really competing. Those interested in the PS4 and the Wii U are more different than those interested in the PS4 and new Xbox. We knew the PS4 was coming and had a good idea of the path it would take.

  34. KaptainKrauser Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 12:29

    A rousing speech. Made me proud to be sticking with the good guys.

  35. OrangeRakoon Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 12:42

    I don't understand all of these blind nintendo fans... Im neutral for all consoles and i can see that Sony's exclusives are superior and so is the console, i have played on a Wii U, but the games just wernt good enough to keep me away from my xbox and ps3 and buy a Wii U. Looking at games such as inFamous, Killzone, Uncharted, The last of us. Im really tired of these crappy kiddy sequel games. I really want something mature on the Wii U! That isnt already a port from the PS3 and XBOX.

    Infamous is a generic open world game
    Killzone is a generic brown fps
    Uncharted is a generic rip off of Tomb Raider
    The Last of Us... looks pretty interesting

    Aside from The Last of Us and Little Big Planet, Sony exclusives are all fairly generic and boring.

    Yes, Nintendo does overuse it's characters and designs some times, but overall there is a wealth of quality gameplay that you can't find with other publishers.

    I think these two comments might be the same person in a better-than-usual attempt at trolling considering how wrong they both are

  36. pokemaniac 212 Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 13:00

    I don't understand all of these blind nintendo fans... Im neutral for all consoles and i can see that Sony's exclusives are superior and so is the console, i have played on a Wii U, but the games just wernt good enough to keep me away from my xbox and ps3 and buy a Wii U. Looking at games such as inFamous, Killzone, Uncharted, The last of us. Im really tired of these crappy kiddy sequel games. I really want something mature on the Wii U! That isnt already a port from the PS3 and XBOX.

    Infamous is a generic open world game
    Killzone is a generic brown fps
    Uncharted is a generic rip off of Tomb Raider
    The Last of Us... looks pretty interesting

    Aside from The Last of Us and Little Big Planet, Sony exclusives are all fairly generic and boring.

    Yes, Nintendo does overuse it's characters and designs some times, but overall there is a wealth of quality gameplay that you can't find with other publishers.

    While I agree with the sentiment of this, the only one of those sony exclusives I would come close to agreeing with you on is killzone, which for me is fairly generic. The other three are incredible games.

    That said, anyone saying that Sony's exclusives are far beyond nintendo's is a fool. A new 3D Zelda or Mario game still has an impact far beyond most of Sony's exclusives, and one look at the roster from Playstation Allstars shows that they just don't have the same depth compared to Brawl's line-up. Yes they have many great games, but so do nintendo.

    Also "mature on the wii u" I presume is ignoring the likes of zombiu and bayonetta 2, both of which are undoubtedly mature games and both are wii u exclusive.

  37. 1singie Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 13:16

    "One thing's for sure though; you won't ever get Nintendo games on another console." this is all that matters. i just watched a bit of the ps4 stuff. not impressed. they showed these sort of tech demos before the ps3 came out.

  38. K-tet Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 13:25

    I don't see the debate between Sony and Nintendo exclusives. One is criticised for milking their franchises to death, whereas the other is criticised for abandoning great IPs at the expense of trying to be modern and not retaining their heritage. While it'd be nice to have it both ways, the fact that a new Mario or Zelda game can generate even more hype and interest than the top rated Sony IP (such as Uncharted) just tells you that Nintendo are in a league of their own in that regard.

    Also, if gamers buy Nintendo hardware for Nintendo software, what does that say about the other first-party content on the rival platforms? Drought of hardcore games you say? I'll take a Zelda game over any Sony or Microsoft IP any day of the week, and I'm not a big Zelda fan by any stretch of the imagination.

    The best first-party developer has a crap-ton of IPs to reboot should it need to, and it's perfectly capable of creating more. Wii U will be fine. Let the games roll out, and it'll only continue to gain momentum. People that over-centralise on "oh, my system can do one million billion trillion polygons whereas the Wii U can only do one million polygons" need reminding that gameplay is what we play games for, not graphics. Nice graphics is a bonus, and nothing more.

  39. KH81314 Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 13:47

    Unless the PS4 is backwards compatible then I dont think we have to worry. Just look at the Vita.

  40. dave666 Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 14:03

    There is no way there will be this huge gap in graphical quality from the wii u to the ps4.

    C'mon be honest, nothing sony showed off looked truly next gen and could probably have been done on the ps3, and also didn't sony say last year that they had no plans for a new console until 2014 ? and now they wanna launch the ps4 at the end of this year.

    So the ps4 is a rushed project and that is never a good thing no matter how good the specs are. And it looks rushed, the controler looks like somthing homer simpson invented. They have shoe horned in ps vita features that the the wii u offers already, but the difference is that the wii u was designed with these features in mind and their games will be built around these features.

    not to mention a hefty price tag because sony never come cheap, were probably talking Ł500 give or take.

    people will argue that these are just launch games and that the ps4 is in it's early stages, but then the wii u is also in it's early stages, and even at this early stage the wii u may not have sold as well as everybody hoped, but the wii u has proven it's quality with games like zombi u and how it can improve existing games a great deal like blops2, mass effect 3, and ninja gaiden razor's edge. and it's only been out 3 months.

    but I still think ninty shouldn't let their guard down

  41. Jock_Nerd Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 14:16

    "There's nothing more exciting than a defensive Nintendo. When it feels pressured it often does its best work."

    Right on.

  42. Kirby8 Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 14:23

    Power is not my concern. It's certainly nice to have it but I'm still buying NES games! If I can enjoy games from 20-30 years ago, then the difference between PS4 and Wii U is hardly going to be a problem!

    Exactly. Real gamers know that power and graphics aren't important, it the fun of playing the game. I still play all my retro games, and am buying more! I couldn't care less about the power. Ultimately, I buy Nintendo because my life wouldn't be the same without Pokémon, Mario, Luigi, Kirby, Zelda, Donkey Kong and everything else.

  43. NintendoForLife Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 14:40

    ONM we're at not automatically Nintendo Fanboys because we're on ONM. Many on here will be getting the PS4 and aren't hoping it will be rubbish so that it doesn't affect Nintendo sales. Nintendo fans won't be affected in anyway to new hardware being announced, the worst that will happen will there will be a bigger choice of games to buy than if there was just the Wii U.

    I know most ONM staff have the other consoles as do you probably do as well Chandra, so stop pretending or trying to damage control Sony's conference. The PS4 looks good and brings some interesting ideas to the table so give props were they are due. Nintendo fans should be worried as it would be silly to be worried for a business. Nintendo shouldn't be worried because they have enough money left over from the Wii to suffer lacklustre sales and still make it to the next gen.

  44. mushroomchow Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 15:02

    ONM we're at not automatically Nintendo Fanboys because we're on ONM. Many on here will be getting the PS4 and aren't hoping it will be rubbish so that it doesn't affect Nintendo sales. Nintendo fans won't be affected in anyway to new hardware being announced, the worst that will happen will there will be a bigger choice of games to buy than if there was just the Wii U.

    I know most ONM staff have the other consoles as do you probably do as well Chandra, so stop pretending or trying to damage control Sony's conference. The PS4 looks good and brings some interesting ideas to the table so give props were they are due. Nintendo fans should be worried as it would be silly to be worried for a business. Nintendo shouldn't be worried because they have enough money left over from the Wii to suffer lacklustre sales and still make it to the next gen.

    I think you're missing the point of the article. There are plenty of Nintendo fans who over-reacted to what, when you take the gloss off, was a pretty lacklustre and drawn-out press conference. People like this fool, proclaiming that the Wii U is somehow finished, because the PS4 is more powerful.

    People are just dodging round the facts and jumping to conclusions. There's barely a single Super HD TV on sale outside Japan, so you can forget that incredible resolution. The broadband infrastructure in Europe and North America is godawful, making the seamless experience Sony want a pipedream. And the games announced yesterday were uninspiring and there are plenty of people drawing ironic conclusions between Sony touting how innovative their new console is, then throwing out the same old Killzone, generic driving game and "quirky" puzzler (The Witness - not even a PS4 exclusive, due for a PC release). Knack is the only game there that really interested me, with most of the others being more of the same from the devs.

    The tacked-on, desperate attempt to give the deformed child that is Playstation Move a purpose beyond being a rich kid's Wiimote was the icing on the cake. I cringed watching the "amazing, original new concept" that was essentially an open-source Wii Music.

    I went into the show a believer in the PS4 hype, and came out cleansed of any niggling urges to buy one. Smooth moves, Sony.

  45. NintendoForLife Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 15:11

    This article didn't need to be written, PS4 doesn't mean the end of Wii U even if the Sony fanboys are saying otherwise. Nobody should be worried for Nintendo or the future of the Wii U as they are not going to be wiped out by a Sony console.

    Chandra is just stating why he thinks Nintendo is a better company than Sony and Nintendo "care" about the fans more than the business, unlike Sony, even though he probably has a PS3. It's just silly posting this because a new console has been announced and why we have nothing to worry about because Sony only cares about sales. Etc, Etc.

  46. Nintendo4Ever Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 15:25

    I tried to watch it but all I got to see was the last 10 seconds of the 'history of playstation' bit at the beginning before the feed died and found myself forever looking at the same loading screen on about 6 different websites. From reading about it this morning though I don't think Nintendo should worry, there wasn't anyone wearing a Sackboy costume.

    Every generation seems to be a straight contest between Sony and Microsoft with Nintendo happily working in the background making truly great games. Playstation has good exclusives like Uncharted, inFamous, Sly Cooper, Ratchet and Clank and from something I read a while back Assassin's Creed had Sony put faith in it. Nintendo also have good exclusives, some that have become all time greats, like Zelda, Mario, Pokemon and Metroid amongst others.

    Nintendo have made truly iconic video game characters that sell consoles/ games. In my opinion Sony doesn't have this, apart from Sackboy and he's only been in a handful of games (4?). Playstation does have superior graphics but in my opinion Nintendo has more high quality games and this is what sells me consoles, not what it's capable of visually but entertainment wise and Nintendo is usually better value for money in this regard.

    However, I will still end up getting a Wii U for myself (nearer the time for Wind Waker being released) and the PS4 once the price goes down and/ or a newer model is released.

    I have a PS3 and a Wii and I do play on my PS3 more now that I've started playing Skyrim the reason why it's taken so long for me to play it though is because I've had games like The Last Story, Skyward Sword, Twilight Princess, Paper Mario Sticker Star, Ocarina of Time 3D and Star Fox 64 3D keeping me busy, good job too as the DLC for it is only just being released!

  47. Bretteh Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 15:30

    The PS4 is definitely interesting and with it being apparently easier to develop for than the PS3 a lot of developers may take their projects to it. I am particularly interested in what it promises for indie game creators and can't wait to see what is created.

    The Wii U has made itself fairly unique in the market with it's control layout and ideas but will it see the same success as the Wii?

    There is no worry that Nintendo will deliver quality content but what about the 3rd party developers? Once they grow bored of developing for the PS3 and 360, which will probably occur at the tail end of 2014 it will be interesting to see what multi format games remain multi format.

    Nintendo this gen need to get decent quality versions of the multi format games and at the same time make sure they're getting strong original content from 3rd party developers and obviously creating the content themselves.

    One of the main areas the Wii fell down was that it didn't see many of the big multi format games of this generation (and when it did most the time they were disappointing).
    The Wii U has about 2 years of being able to get multi format games, but will they be unique games using the Wii U gamepad to its fullest or quick ports? That's what will be important.

  48. ChandraONM Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 15:32

    ONM we're at not automatically Nintendo Fanboys because we're on ONM. Many on here will be getting the PS4 and aren't hoping it will be rubbish so that it doesn't affect Nintendo sales. Nintendo fans won't be affected in anyway to new hardware being announced, the worst that will happen will there will be a bigger choice of games to buy than if there was just the Wii U.

    I know most ONM staff have the other consoles as do you probably do as well Chandra, so stop pretending or trying to damage control Sony's conference. The PS4 looks good and brings some interesting ideas to the table so give props were they are due. Nintendo fans should be worried as it would be silly to be worried for a business. Nintendo shouldn't be worried because they have enough money left over from the Wii to suffer lacklustre sales and still make it to the next gen.

    Damage control Sony's conference? Really??
    I think you've completely missed the point of the article. But it's ok because the other 99.5% of the people got it just fine :D

  49. NintendoForLife Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 15:52

    Damage control Sony's conference? Really??
    I think you've completely missed the point of the article. But it's ok because the other 99.5% of the people got it just fine :D

    That's the point of this article though, you're downplaying what the PS4 could be because, it doesn't have the "magical" ingredients that a Nintendo system has and Sony don't care as much, blah, blah.

    There is surprisingly more Nintendo fanboys on here than in previous years and those people that are agreeing with you seem to be mostly Nintendo only.

    I own all current gen systems and the Wii U so I know that the PS4 has the potential to be great just like the PS3 was/is. You may not say much about the conference but the whole point of the article is to protect the Wii U just admit it.

    Otherwise, why would you put it as a "VS".

  50. El_Marco1983 Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 15:52

    There is no way there will be this huge gap in graphical quality from the wii u to the ps4.

    C'mon be honest, nothing sony showed off looked truly next gen and could probably have been done on the ps3, and also didn't sony say last year that they had no plans for a new console until 2014 ? and now they wanna launch the ps4 at the end of this year.

    So the ps4 is a rushed project and that is never a good thing no matter how good the specs are. And it looks rushed, the controler looks like somthing homer simpson invented. They have shoe horned in ps vita features that the the wii u offers already, but the difference is that the wii u was designed with these features in mind and their games will be built around these features.

    not to mention a hefty price tag because sony never come cheap, were probably talking Ł500 give or take.

    people will argue that these are just launch games and that the ps4 is in it's early stages, but then the wii u is also in it's early stages, and even at this early stage the wii u may not have sold as well as everybody hoped, but the wii u has proven it's quality with games like zombi u and how it can improve existing games a great deal like blops2, mass effect 3, and ninja gaiden razor's edge. and it's only been out 3 months.

    but I still think ninty shouldn't let their guard down

    I suspect that was a PR stunt so when the new console was announced it was like "ZOMG, NEW CONSOLE!!!!!!" Sony always knew that 2013 was the time. if both Xbox and PS4 would have waited another year, then they need not have bothered.....gamers were ready, devs were ready and have been for well over a year now.

  51. El_Marco1983 Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 16:00

    I like how nobody has mentioned the community aspect. PS4 looks great in that respect, XBL is already great (albeit expensive) and Wii U is sadly still lacking in that department.

    you can argue about it until you're blue in the face but the fact is, gamers DO want the level of community which Xbox and PS offer, at least the majority do. Perhaps that is another thing putting people off buying a Nintendo console. Now I don't actually have a Wii U and I hear that the Miiverse thingy is great, I fully look forward to taking it for a spin when I get my Wii U .. but the fact remains that millions more people play online on other consoles and that is purely because of what it offers...

  52. yoshiller64 Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 16:06

    i think sony have literally copied nintendo with the gamepad because i got an email from CVG with loads of info on the ps4 and one paragraph said that you could use the PSVita as "pulling games from the tv to a portable device" or something
    However i am most likely to get this only to be proud that i have a complete set of home consoles from one make

  53. dap005 Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 16:11

    There's little to worry if nintendo continues to differentiate itself from other console manufactures and stick to its guns about software (whether it's the old philosophy that rushed games are forever bad or that following trends isn't necessarily the best). Nintendo wii u will house the whimsical and different kind of games, the ps4 will house technically advanced games. Each is a different beast of its own and gaming is better off with such diversity.

  54. El_Marco1983 Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 16:15

    There's little to worry if nintendo continues to differentiate itself from other console manufactures and stick to its guns about software (whether it's the old philosophy that rushed games are forever bad or that following trends isn't necessarily the best). Nintendo wii u will house the whimsical and different kind of games, the ps4 will house technically advanced games. Each is a different beast of its own and gaming is better off with such diversity.

    This is true, but do you not think those Nintendo experiences would be even better if they had a truckload of power to play with too? if they applied the same game development philosophy to that much power....well, the results would be mind blowing.

  55. El_Marco1983 Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 16:18

    One thing is certain, when the generation ends Nintendo will have more than 1 classic in the top 10 games of the generation. I cannot wait to see what they do with Mario this time. Galaxy and Galaxy 2 are still my favorite games this generation.

  56. Lego master Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 16:25

    That's the point of this article though, you're downplaying what the PS4 could be because, it doesn't have the "magical" ingredients that a Nintendo system has and Sony don't care as much, blah, blah.


    No, no it's not. As far as i'm concerned the point of this article was just to get across the fact Nintendo will handle fine. The point isn't that the PS4 will fail, the point is that Nintendo still has lots of advantages so will cope fine despite what many people are theorizing about the downfall of Nintendo. The article is called VS, because it's how Nintendo will cope against the PS4.

  57. row101 Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 16:30

    The PS4 has nothing on Wii U.

    The conference. The conference, in my opinion, was incredibly boring. They just revealed information, no jokes, nothing funny, just plain boring. Compare that to some of the things Nintendo does during conferences. http://www.officialnintendomagazine.co. ... a-moments/

    The controller. The share button is a nice concept. But, under broadband limitations(6MBPS is the U.K average), no way can you upload 1080p video at a reasonable speed. You can share screenshots, but that has already been done by Wii U. The touchpad is a good idea, but I can't really imagine it being used much, as it is not very accurate, and is in a kind of uncomfortable position. Besides, it's got nothing on the Gamepad's touch screen. Apart from that, it's just the same old PS1 controller.

    The console. The suspend function is pretty cool, I'd like Nintendo to implement something like that, ideally in a software update. It's not fully backwards compatible with PS3 games, you have to stream them, again, creating lag due to slow broadband. Using some applications while playing a game? Already been done on Wii U/3DS. And using a Sony Smartphone as a second screen has Gamepad written all over it. The new Ustream feature just looks like MiiVerse as well, although I doubt it will be as beautifully implemented and troll-free as MiiVerse. It will also be ridiculously expensive, no doubt.

    The games. This is where Nintendo really shines. No game offers the feeling of exploration and adventure like Zelda does. No game offers frantic, chaotic multiplayer like Mario Kart does. No game offers the feeling of retro style fun like Mario does. No game offers the feeling of responsibility like Nintendogs does. No game offers the feeling of being poor like animal crossing does when you've run out of bells. And last, but certainly not least, no game offers the feeling of utter pointlessness and uselessness like flashlight does(DsiWare). Not to say that Nintendo has no hardcore games. Just look at Zambia. Excellent gamepad implementation, amazing detail and graphics, and very good MiiVerse implementation as well. Besides, the PS4 is unlikely to have many exclusives.

    And that's why the Wii U will be the best of the current generation of consoles(unless Microsoft really goes to town on the Xbox).

  58. MJTH Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 16:33

    Over the last few weeks I've heard a lot doom and gloom about Nintendo, across the internet. "Nintendo are doom" this, "they'll go bankrupt" that. It's all been pretty depressing. I've also heard many a journalist on any other sites (who probably should be less biased in public due to the job in the industry) say they wish that Nintendo goes the same way as SEGA. Now I can understand the doom and gloom and horrible predictions, but wishing failure on a company just because they do things different from the way you want it, makes me sick.

    I hope Nintendo pulls it back with a line of great exclusives to prove everyone wrong once again!

  59. Jaffrotortoise3 Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 16:50

    I don't understand all of these blind nintendo fans... Im neutral for all consoles and i can see that Sony's exclusives are superior and so is the console, i have played on a Wii U, but the games just wernt good enough to keep me away from my xbox and ps3 and buy a Wii U. Looking at games such as inFamous, Killzone, Uncharted, The last of us. Im really tired of these crappy kiddy sequel games. I really want something mature on the Wii U! That isnt already a port from the PS3 and XBOX.

    Infamous is a generic open world game
    Killzone is a generic brown fps
    Uncharted is a generic rip off of Tomb Raider
    The Last of Us... looks pretty interesting

    Aside from The Last of Us and Little Big Planet, Sony exclusives are all fairly generic and boring.

    Yes, Nintendo does overuse it's characters and designs some times, but overall there is a wealth of quality gameplay that you can't find with other publishers.

    Well i sort of agree with u both, nintendo games, like mario and sonics at olympics and that r pretty tragic, but if u want a handheld console, never mind 3d, theres no thought necesery to choose a ds over a psp, and if u want a good none handheld console, u choose an xbox, i almost feel sorry for playstation. :cry:

  60. K-tet Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 17:04

    While the majority of everyone here can be seen as Pro-Nintendo, we're not belittling the Sony conference. There's nothing wrong with poking fun and having some banter. In all honesty, we want the competition. The industry is stagnating, and there's too many 'safe' and 'mainstream' games that aren't bringing the variety or level of innovation we've been craving since the turn of the millennium. Nintendo have been the boldest taking left-wing approaches. If developers weren't lazy and actually optimised their code the Wii would've had much better games than what it does now. Having a crazy amount of power only promotes lazy coding, which in turn means games only appear to look beautiful, but are buggy and unoptimised. This is the biggest pitfall of the industry to date.

    Having said that, if we don't see any additional variety of gaming this generation, irrespective of any innovation (that includes the Game Pad, any cloud services, the OUYA et al), the industry will head for another crash. The sad truth is, like any of the big three or not, if the economy cannot facilitate the market, we won't have a videogame industry for too much longer. I for one don't want that to happen, but there's every chance it may, and no level of innovation or unification is going to make a difference if the market becomes untenable.

  61. Waldy565 Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 17:11

    Firstly, Well done again on a brill blog Chandra, would've been nice to know ONM before Niel, i.e. err you, again, but I digress, great job! Secondly, I completely agree. I was contemplating whether to get a gaming computer, and I still may, but I'll never enjoy, as you've stated, Pikmin, Zelda, Mario... So yeah, Nintendo has nothing to worry about with the announcement of PS4 (and the yet to be officially announced Xbox 720, or whatever it's gonna be called, for that matter...)

  62. TheSlenderman Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 17:18

    Frankly, I don't care if neither of them are stellar successes . As long as they both sell well enough to keep making great games, then who is really bothered if they don't shift 10000000000000 units each?
    One of the best things about having multiple systems on the market is that you get a good choice of what you want it to do;
    - some people buy PS3 because of the free online multiplayer,
    - some people buy XBOX 360 because of the kinect,
    - and some people buy WII/WII U because of the fun that you can have with its controllers.
    Different consoles suit different people's needs and preferences, so it stands to reason that some will sell better than others.
    Also, each console will have respectable fan-bases, so they are all just about guaranteed good sales anyway.

    And when you think about it, the consoles are all on a level playing field- just not graphically. The PS4 will have its fancy graphics, which, for some, will warrant a buy. XBOX has its kinect, which will have the same effect on others. And WII U has its controllers, which will also interest people. Each console has its own unique selling point, thus it doesn't matter if you don't like it- someone else will.
    It is the job if the manufacturers to worry about sales. Leave it to them. You just play the games that interest you. End of.

  63. IanC Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 18:05

    Im not too worried. Sonys press conference was too light on details - nothing about what changes there will be to playstation network, no word on actual release date, no real footage of games (never trust a video from Sony!), heck no confirmation on what media the games will use.

  64. venomsquares Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 18:13

    To be honest, I think nintendo releasing the Wii U this early shows that it is scared of sony and microsoft's next gen. It's a great idea to get an early foothold and the Wii U will have loads of MUST HAVE exclusives (a brilliant zelda and mario game for example) by the time the PS4 is released. However, I think that sony has learnt from the PS3 and will be out of the blocks more efficiently this time, so nintendo has acted quicker. To be honest, I'll probably end up getting both. I don't want to miss out on zelda/mario/smashbros etc, but I'll still play FIFA/COD and PS exclusives on playstation.

  65. phil2512 Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 18:25

    Wait until E3, then make a verdict. The conference gave little detail of what the PS4 nor did the Wii U when it was revealed, and even at E3 last year did Nintendo give enough detail for the Wii U, but just don't count Xbox out yet.

  66. 3ds234 Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 18:33

    We have the Nintendo exclusives like Zelda so that's good but
    http://mynintendonews.com/2013/02/21/ub ... ox-arrive/
    So ^^^ that's bad.

  67. blu fire Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 18:39

    Im a little worride- the touch pad controller is interesting but it cant nintendos asymetric gameplay owever a lot of the genral public think WiiU is just a wii with a new controller. the PS4 games lineup wanst impressive and I had little to care for graphics besides they look really similar. The 3DS is crushing the PSVITA and i hope it happens with with WiiU crushing PS4 the same that how wii did to PS3 or DS to PSP. This time Im just a little more worried because there is less public support.

  68. CDS Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 18:47

    Short, sweet, to the point.
    The information given at the Sony conference last night was good. The games weren't. However, they couldn't very well unveil all then, as they'd have nothing for E3.
    I've had every Nintendo and Sony console since the PS1, but didn't get the PS3 until Gran Turismo 5 was actually released, as I'd got into the series on PSP and loved it. Before then, I was lasting on the Wii which I'd had since launch, and was still enjoying Gamecube games on it. But I still didn't feel the multi-platform games any good. Most of the Wii games have now gone , but I only have a few PS3 titles .
    Eventually, I will have both WiiU and PS4, but both for different reasons .

  69. Pyron12 Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 19:04

    I don't need to worry. Just because it doesn't have the best launch line-up doesn't make it a failure. If Nintendo published all their AAA titles in a big rush, it would be almost impossible to follow up. Releasing them every month or two is a much more sensible way. The best is yet to come from the Wii U and we've had little info on the PS4. Early days, Sony fans. Early days...

  70. TrafalgarLaw Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 19:38

    Yes, Nintendo fans should worry.

    The whole point of the Wii U, of being able to switch on the fly with GamePad and TV, was a merely a small feature in the PS4 announcement meeting. The Wii U is selling abysmally low, with sales numbers under the Vita itself. If your brand new console is doing worse than the Vita, oh boy...you should be very afraid.

    And unlike Nintendo, Sony gets the full 3rd party support like next-gen consoles should.
    Specs-wise, no surprise here, Sony's console outperforms the Wii U. Why you should care?
    Being the lowest common denominator means you run the risk of no or very small 3rd party support or having subpar multiplatform titles.
    While I do understand that Nintendo fans bought a Wii U for games like (the millionth) Mario and Zelda, where are they? Where is F-Zero? Where is the new Mario? Where is Zelda? Coupled with multiple projects for Wii U being canned...I see a fate worse than GameCube.
    That is, unless Nintendo actually shows these titles at E3.

    Nintendo, you blew it. No one is going to buy a subpar next-gen console that only relies on gimmicks. And the sales show for it. If you're a true Nintendo fan, you won't put up with it either.

  71. fritzfrapp Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 19:41

    I'm a fan of both and I'm worried for Sony. There was nothing interesting or compelling about the PS4 shown. I have never been bored at a console reveal before, but I'd dearly love to have those 2 hours back from last night. A total shocker.

    Nintendo fans have a fantastic console with its brilliant off-TV play, variety of control schemes, and a stellar games line-up already guaranteed with MHFU, Pikmin 3, Wonderful 101, LEGO City Undercover, Rayman Legends, Wind Waker HD, Watch Dogs (if you like that sort of thing). plus loads more, including the Marios, Zeldas and Metroids. Nintendo again have carved their own way and they'll be fine (I expect the advertising budget to be boosted significantly in the next month). And for those people obsessed with winners, historically the weakest machine has 'won' every prior generation.

    Nintendo fans have FUN and new gameplay experiences to look forward to. Sony fans currently do not, if last night's drearathon is anything to go by.

  72. TrafalgarLaw Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 19:50


    Nintendo fans have FUN and new gameplay experiences to look forward to. Sony fans currently do not, if last night's drearathon is anything to go by.


    FUN like flicking your GamePad around as if you're holding a imaginitive shuriken to throw? :roll:
    The Wii Sports fad is long gone. The real gamers are waiting for exciting new games, not being forced to use bulky controllers/tablets to do something as simple as inventory management that was once done with the simple press of a button.

    But keep living in the dream.

  73. DarkBladeXIII Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 19:55

    though this sounds wholly biased, i gotta admit its a strong argument, but i hate to say it too many people act like graphics are the key point to video games, and many would scoff at Wii U owners because of this. But Im on the Nintendo Bandwagon and Sony aint getting me off of it

  74. K-tet Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 20:04

    Yes, Nintendo fans should worry.

    The whole point of the Wii U, of being able to switch on the fly with GamePad and TV, was a merely a small feature in the PS4 announcement meeting. The Wii U is selling abysmally low, with sales numbers under the Vita itself. If your brand new console is doing worse than the Vita, oh boy...you should be very afraid.


    Given that the Vita has been out for a year and the Wii U has been out for only four months, in a worse economic climate no less, is great logic to get this point across. The system has already sold in excess of three million units worldwide and it's only been out for four months in total. There's no cause for panic just yet. Now if it had sold three million in three years, hit the panic button with a hammer.

    While I do understand that Nintendo fans bought a Wii U for games like (the millionth) Mario and Zelda, where are they? Where is F-Zero? Where is the new Mario? Where is Zelda? Coupled with multiple projects for Wii U being canned...I see a fate worse than GameCube.
    That is, unless Nintendo actually shows these titles at E3.


    E3 this year is looking to be an excellent one for all concerned. Nintendo do have some tricks up their sleeves. Patience is key. The system is still new and hasn't had time to bed itself in.

    Nintendo, you blew it. No one is going to buy a subpar next-gen console that only relies on gimmicks. And the sales show for it. If you're a true Nintendo fan, you won't put up with it either.


    Nintendo deals in innovation, and have been the primary innovators for the best part of 20 years. These so-called gimmicks were adapted by the other two companies in their own way, with Sony doing more of the 'polite borrowing' than Microsoft. Also, it doesn't matter what you think, because if the economy doesn't improve, nobody is going to want to buy a system that's overpriced, in which I have no doubt the PS4 will be. They'd rather stick with existing systems knowing they're only going to get cheaper. If that's the case, the Wii U will benefit from this the most as it's the most affordable next-gen system (so far, although almost safe to assume it will be) and, if we're being wrongly pedantic in that the Wii U is not an 8th Gen System, acts as a middle-ground between the 7th and 8th Gens at a more affordable price, plus it has backwards compatibility with Wii games.

    Once again, the Wii U has been out for four months. Come back with that argument in five years time.

  75. OrangeRakoon Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 20:32

    One day people will realise that a more powerful console doesn't just mean better graphics, but also means greater gameplay possibilities such as more characters/enemies/dynamic events happening on the screen at once.

    One day

  76. CDS Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 20:36

    I understand more power to be all of that.
    Every Star Wars Battlefront fan has been wishing that ever since they saw the leaked footage of SWB3.
    And then we get the cutting edge Elite Squadron on PSP.

  77. Josh Myers Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 20:50

    Nintendo will always be nintendo, that said, nintendo will always be behind in hardware. But what nintendo lacks in hardware they make up with family fun games. This is the only company I see in the living rooms where everyone can sit around the tv and play mario party 6, etc. But, to comment on what you said above that nintendo is the only one that makes quality games, this is not true, playstation 1st parties are top notch also, uncharted, resistance, just to name a few and you can not get those anywhere else either.

  78. harrogatewario Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 20:59

    After my N64 I had a fling with a Dreamcast before opting for a PS2. It is much reported that the GC was more powerful, but the games, even the Nintendo exclusives couldn't persuade me to splash out on both. (I eventually picked up a Cube towards the end of its life and still play it now) I played the PS2 to the point it packed in and would rate Vice City as one of my top 3 favourite games of all time. To me that is the mark of a good console and how succesful it is, the importance is how much you enjoy it and whether there is a steady release of titles that keeps you hooked.

    I played my 360 (until I sold it) on a more regular basis rather than my Wii, but in all honesty neither held the same constant appeal that my NES, N64 and PS2 had done before them. Both have great games (Mario Galaxy is a unique gaming experience), but not in the consistent 'need to buy' conveyor I'd felt with previous consoles.

    Who 'wins' this gen won't be known for another 5 years, but as gamers we should want them all to bring something great to the table. A struggling industry needs to get away from the complacency that has prevailed over the last few years and what Sony does with its 'gimmicks' will be key for them. IMO we need Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony to all succeed, because if they don't we will be left with either gaming on an ultra expensive PC or Angry Birds on an iPad, neither of which is a gaming world I would like to be part of!

    In my house WiiU has the headstart as I've already got one and so far so good. The key will be when PS4/Xbox720 are in play whether they have something to tempt me into a 2nd console purchase, but it will take more than stunning visuals.

  79. fritzfrapp Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 21:11


    Nintendo fans have FUN and new gameplay experiences to look forward to. Sony fans currently do not, if last night's drearathon is anything to go by.


    FUN like flicking your GamePad around as if you're holding a imaginitive shuriken to throw? :roll:
    The Wii Sports fad is long gone. The real gamers are waiting for exciting new games, not being forced to use bulky controllers/tablets to do something as simple as inventory management that was once done with the simple press of a button.

    But keep living in the dream.

    Go on, then. As I'm in the mood, I'll see your bet. Define "real gamers," please.

    And after that, do tell where you saw "exciting new games" last night? Because I endured every inexorable second of that turgid two hour presentation desperately hoping that someone would show just a sliver of some novel gameplay. Yet even Ono-san of Capcom let us down, though he did provide some brief merriment with wonderful trolling of Monster Hunter.

  80. OrangeRakoon Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 21:12

    I understand more power to be all of that.
    Every Star Wars Battlefront fan has been wishing that ever since they saw the leaked footage of SWB3.
    And then we get the cutting edge Elite Squadron on PSP.

    I loved both Elite Squadron and Renegade Squadron. The combines space/ground battles were particularly awesome.

  81. Lego master Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 21:21


    Nintendo fans have FUN and new gameplay experiences to look forward to. Sony fans currently do not, if last night's drearathon is anything to go by.


    FUN like flicking your GamePad around as if you're holding a imaginitive shuriken to throw? :roll:
    The Wii Sports fad is long gone. The real gamers are waiting for exciting new games, not being forced to use bulky controllers/tablets to do something as simple as inventory management that was once done with the simple press of a button.

    But keep living in the dream.


    This is possibly the most stupid thing I've read on ONM for a while...
    You obviously have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and are either ignorant or trolling. Ask the majority of Wii U owners and they will tell you they've had fun on it. Isn't that the entire point of games?

  82. Xenobladeperson Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 21:28

    Probably just going to go PC next gen until the big console exclusives like FF and MGS are released.

    Posted from my WiiU.

  83. harrogatewario Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 21:29

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    This is possibly the most stupid thing I've read on ONM for a while...
    You obviously have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and are either ignorant or trolling. Ask the majority of Wii U owners and they will tell you they've had fun on it. Isn't that the entire point of games?

    This is somebody who thinks the whole point of Wii U is playing games off TV :lol:

    Not worth a response, quite clearly trolling.

  84. IPecksU Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 21:57

    The graphical gap between wii u and ps4 doesnt seem radical enough to warrant wii u missing out on too much third party support, and all it'll only take miiverse an update to improve. I like it how it is but group chat and better message notifications would be nice.

    Anyway as far as console exclusives go so far off the top of my head it's Killzone, that pretty car game (dont know if exclusive), infamous and that light puzzle thing on the ps4 vs New Super Mario Bros U, Zombiu, Super Smash Bros 4, Legend of Zelda Wind Waker, Bayonetta 2, Wonderful 101, Mario kart 8, Mario platformer, Monolith's game, Retro's game, Nintendo Land, the next zelda, wario, wii fit u, that nintendo party game and lego city. There's also been hints at Destiny coming to wii u and watch dogs got confirmed wii u sometime around the sony conference (burn). I think I know which I'll take.

  85. OrangeRakoon Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 22:24

    It's entirely unfair to compare the number of exclusives between a console which has been out for several months, and a console which has only just been announced for which most things are still unknown.

  86. mirage 5x5 Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 23:07

    i like nintendo but i dont like the wii u or the wii i think nintendo have lost the way on consoles
    i will probably buy a ps4 at some point there are alot of games that will never come to a nintendo system there are to many games to mention .
    nintendo need to get f zero starfox and metriod out there and stop doing so many mario games
    but on the the 3ds side i think it is getting better and better all the time :D

  87. liveswired Friday 22nd Feb 2013 at 00:31

    Nintendo fans have nothing to worry about. Nintendo fans buy a Nintendo console for Nintendo games. Nintendo are still RIPPING US OFF and Third Party support has been mediocre since the n64 so nothing is going to change.

    The only difference is the casual gamers have moved on from Nintendo.

    The Wii U will find its market once they have to cut it down to Ł150 with the looming release of the PS4. I think a console that would've been impressive in 2006 will undoubtedly struggle in this current market at its current RRP. Factor in a paltry 32gb storage, a low resolution resistive screen, cheap and tacky aesthetics, no bluray/dvd support, overpriced eShop...........

    It's a butchered console, I'm sure Nintendo's engineers are livid.

    Sony announced the PS4 and it was significantly more powerful than everyone expected it to be.

    Nintendo released the Wii U and it was significantly less powered than it was expected to be. That sums it all up for me - Nintendo have become a constant source of disappointment.

  88. Paquito19962 Friday 22nd Feb 2013 at 03:01

    1) With the first party studios of Nintendo I have all what I want and more. They make, without a doubt, the best games on every genre, generation over generation.

    2) Sony is the Sega of this years. PS4 is Dreamcast. Bye Sony.

  89. neosureshot Friday 22nd Feb 2013 at 03:10

    I don't understand all of these blind nintendo fans... Im neutral for all consoles and i can see that Sony's exclusives are superior and so is the console, i have played on a Wii U, but the games just wernt good enough to keep me away from my xbox and ps3 and buy a Wii U. Looking at games such as inFamous, Killzone, Uncharted, The last of us. Im really tired of these crappy kiddy sequel games. I really want something mature on the Wii U! That isnt already a port from the PS3 and XBOX.

    So you are neutral but you seem to pull out the same bad reasoning xbox fanboys and ps3tards pull out. :?

    A mature game does not make a hardcore game (god i hate the term hardcore gamers/games)
    some of the most kiddy/cute games at times are some of the "Hardcore". I hate the fact that all people can rag on about nintendo is the fact thare are no "mature" games does Nintendo have anything to worry about truthfully no they dont. While I cant deny the ps4 or the new xbox will have great games on them imho Nintendo has always come out on top on its exclusives be it on the NGC,Wii or WiiU and just all around fun cause nothing beats brining your friends over for some mario kart or SSBB.

  90. StuffedAnimals Friday 22nd Feb 2013 at 07:34

    Not really. Nintendo did something that no one has done yet. And they did it back in the 80s. Ever heard of cradle to the grave marketing. Look at how many people can recognize super mario theme songs. Some who have never even plaed a video game in their life. Nintendo was originally a very kid friendly company. Hence one parents would invest in. Cradle to grave marketing is not a new concept but one which nintendo thought of YEARS in advance. Sony and Microsoft lost a generation to this idea and it is what is Nintendo's staying power and the foundation of it.

    Will they loose share and sales to new shiny graphics and experiences. Yes. Have they yet to show the full abilities of the Wii U no. So there is still room for them to gain footing. Think about it even the GAMECUBE had 3D built in.

    Nintendo plans for the future, silently, but they plan for the future none the less. And as later stories revealed they also have back up plans.

  91. Pokemon Luke Friday 22nd Feb 2013 at 08:53

    Nintendos fine, i mean look at e3, smash bros x and y mario kart and 3d mario for wii u... Nintendos fine...

  92. row101 Friday 22nd Feb 2013 at 09:05

    1) With the first party studios of Nintendo I have all what I want and more. They make, without a doubt, the best games on every genre, generation over generation.

    2) Sony is the Sega of this years. PS4 is Dreamcast. Bye Sony.

    I'm a Nintendo fan, but I have to disagree. The PS3 sold as well as the Xbox did, not bad at all. The PS4 might not sell well though, but as long as the Sony company does well, they could probably make another one, or possibly two consoles after that.

  93. linkmarth29 Friday 22nd Feb 2013 at 09:21

    I really don't think so. I've never wanted a sony console because, like Xbox (which I've never liked either) about half the games are the same genre of (Sony has a bit less than Xbox of these) shooters. I don't mind the occasional one like ZombiU but that is a bit different as it falls into survival horror.

  94. linkmarth29 Friday 22nd Feb 2013 at 09:26

    Probably just going to go PC next gen until the big console exclusives like FF and MGS are released.

    Posted from my WiiU.


    See, the Wii U is better than anyother console. It smashed SEGA, it will smash Sony. End of story.

  95. linkmarth29 Friday 22nd Feb 2013 at 09:30


    Nintendo fans have FUN and new gameplay experiences to look forward to. Sony fans currently do not, if last night's drearathon is anything to go by.


    FUN like flicking your GamePad around as if you're holding a imaginitive shuriken to throw? :roll:
    The Wii Sports fad is long gone. The real gamers are waiting for exciting new games, not being forced to use bulky controllers/tablets to do something as simple as inventory management that was once done with the simple press of a button.

    But keep living in the dream.

    Gamepad is lighter than an Ipad

  96. pokemaniac 212 Friday 22nd Feb 2013 at 12:15

    Yes, Nintendo fans should worry.

    The whole point of the Wii U, of being able to switch on the fly with GamePad and TV, was a merely a small feature in the PS4 announcement meeting. The Wii U is selling abysmally low, with sales numbers under the Vita itself. If your brand new console is doing worse than the Vita, oh boy...you should be very afraid.

    And unlike Nintendo, Sony gets the full 3rd party support like next-gen consoles should.
    Specs-wise, no surprise here, Sony's console outperforms the Wii U. Why you should care?
    Being the lowest common denominator means you run the risk of no or very small 3rd party support or having subpar multiplatform titles.
    While I do understand that Nintendo fans bought a Wii U for games like (the millionth) Mario and Zelda, where are they? Where is F-Zero? Where is the new Mario? Where is Zelda? Coupled with multiple projects for Wii U being canned...I see a fate worse than GameCube.
    That is, unless Nintendo actually shows these titles at E3.

    Nintendo, you blew it. No one is going to buy a subpar next-gen console that only relies on gimmicks. And the sales show for it. If you're a true Nintendo fan, you won't put up with it either.

    I'm sorry, but this is the funniest, most ignorant post I've seen in a while. Yes the Vita has sold more units than the wii u, but its also been out much longer. Selling more units in a year than a new console does in 3 months isn't an achievement, it would be a severe embarassment if it didn't. Also, the switching play to the Vita feature doesn't come close the wii u, for the sole reason that you have to shell out Ł200 or so to buy a vita to use it, whereas with the wii u its built in. Yes it may well be an excellent feature, but the price means only people who would want a vita anyway (all 3 of them given the current and upcoming games library) would buy it.

    3rd party support is far too early to comment on yet. We don't know the full specs of the PS4, so while its certain it will be more powerful, and yes this means that some games for it will be impossible to port to wii u, given we don't know how big the gap will be we can't make a judgement on third party support yet, and frankly won't be able to until all 3 are out and have been for some time.

    As for new mario and zelda, we already have a new mario game, with another confirmed to be showing at E3 and likely out this year, while a new zelda is confirmed to be out in October. If you're going to comment on the absence of games you should at least check that they genuinely are missing. And multiple projects for wii u being canned? I may be wrong, but personally I don't remember a single one.

  97. K-tet Friday 22nd Feb 2013 at 12:29

    See I'm with most people, I hate the 'hardcore' term because it doesn't mean what it should mean. A hardcore gamer is a gamer that plays games in-depth excessively, even obsessively, because they want to get to grips with the game mechanics and understand the games' true potential, and do so to get better at the game. Pokémon is the best example because, once you scratch beneath the surface and go into competitive play, there's so much more to it than people realise, and I know all the metagame people here will agree with me on this. I find Pokémon to be far more in-depth and 'hardcore' than any dudebro game, especially any FPS, and any game with blood and gore. It doesn't need blood and gore to be hardcore.

    Casual gamers are, to my mind, those that play games for fun, but play them periodically. Any game can be played for fun, and that doesn't automatically make it 'casual'. Games are to be played for fun irrespective of how serious they may be, lest you miss the point of enjoying games in the first place.

    All this Nintendo bashing about how they only cater to the casual market is complete nonsense, made only worse by the gaming media that seem hell-bent on destroying Nintendo's reputation as a game company.

  98. row101 Friday 22nd Feb 2013 at 13:37

    See I'm with most people, I hate the 'hardcore' term because it doesn't mean what it should mean. A hardcore gamer is a gamer that plays games in-depth excessively, even obsessively, because they want to get to grips with the game mechanics and understand the games' true potential, and do so to get better at the game. Pokémon is the best example because, once you scratch beneath the surface and go into competitive play, there's so much more to it than people realise, and I know all the metagame people here will agree with me on this. I find Pokémon to be far more in-depth and 'hardcore' than any dudebro game, especially any FPS, and any game with blood and gore. It doesn't need blood and gore to be hardcore.

    Casual gamers are, to my mind, those that play games for fun, but play them periodically. Any game can be played for fun, and that doesn't automatically make it 'casual'. Games are to be played for fun irrespective of how serious they may be, lest you miss the point of enjoying games in the first place.

    All this Nintendo bashing about how they only cater to the casual market is complete nonsense, made only worse by the gaming media that seem hell-bent on destroying Nintendo's reputation as a game company.

    Exactly. I find it SO annoying when people say "Nintendo is for little girls and doesn't have any good hardcore games, only terrible games like Mario and Zelda" Example: http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gamesgear/playstation-4-where-to-watch-on-cnet-and-what-we-expect-50010479/
    Look at the second-last comment. Pure ignorance. Oh, and I was the one who posted the last comment, defending Ninty :) People who say Nintendo is for little girls really need to play ZombiU. And people who say Nintendo games are too easy for hardcore gamers? Try completing Bit.trip runner. It might not have blood and gore, but it's probably one of the most hardcore games available today.

  99. jarvismp78 Friday 22nd Feb 2013 at 16:04

    I think that Chandra has hit the nail on the head here. PS4 will probably be awesome, but the main reason I sold my PS3 was because I got bored of playing the same games over and over again. Sure, there are great games but how many first person shooters do we really want to play?
    Nintendo are imaginative and the Wii U is doing fine - I know people have questioned the sales but when you take into account the economic climate, the sales are actually pretty impressive.
    If I have one concern, it would be around third party developers - will they stick with Wii U and make quality games or will they pull out and just wait for PS4?
    The pricing of the PS4 will be interesting to see - Ł400 today is far too much for a console and when you then add another Ł250 for the Vita, which in effect is the gamepad Wii U already has, I can't see it having enough. Time will tell but Nintendo now have to up their game quickly to avoid falling to the same fate as Sega. I would hate to think that Nintendo stopped improving and making new hardware.

  100. Mr Roboto Friday 22nd Feb 2013 at 17:04

    Yes & No

    Obviously it can go either way!

    The Wii U's marketing is rubbish at the moment compared to Wii.

    There's room for each company but the games industry is changing all the time so its case of wait and see.

    Though it will be interesting to see what Microsoft and Sony do have ready game wise on the big day.

    I just hope Nintendo go flat out this year to make the most of it before the new consoles come out.

  101. TrafalgarLaw Friday 22nd Feb 2013 at 18:07

    The Wii U is doing worse than the Vita on weekly basis. Just check the NPD numbers.

  102. row101 Friday 22nd Feb 2013 at 20:16

    The Wii U is doing worse than the Vita on weekly basis. Just check the NPD numbers.


    Oh, yes, the Vita has sold 2.2 million in 5 months, and the Wii U has sold over 3 million in three months. And besides, PS Vita sales are getting worse, but Wii U sales are likely to accelerate in the coming months, due to new software, and hopefully better advertising by Nintendo.

  103. Jarmez Friday 22nd Feb 2013 at 21:52

    The Wii U is doing worse than the Vita on weekly basis. Just check the NPD numbers.


    Difference being, WiiU has only been out since November (3 months) so it won't have many titles to start off with, whereas PSVita has been out since December (Japan) / February (International), which is over a year, so it has no excuse for the lack of titles. Both should pick up in sales when more titles are released, but right now people can't expect wow factor sale figures. In regards to fans worrying, no, Nintendo fans shouldn't worry at all. If they only get the Nintendo console(s) for the exclusives, then what's there to worry about?

    What annoys me is that people, more so Sony/Microsoft fanboys, assume Nintendo is doomed because PS4 and Nextbox are being released this year (possibly early 2014 for Nextbox, to be confirmed). A similar thing happened when PSVita was released, people assumed 3DS would "fail" and that PSVita would dominate it tenfold. Yet look what's happened, at the moment the 3DS is selling more than PSVita, a more powerful handheld console. Power and graphics shouldn't be what people should concentrate on when looking at consoles, it should be other factors as well, including games, innovation, and ideas that have been integrated with the system(s).

    I like the idea of the Gamepad, it brings a new way of playing home console games. There are many opportunities that it can achieve and help give developers new ideas to expand and experiment in making their games. Likewise, I like the idea in the PS4 where you can watch live feed of your friends' games, and perhaps help them if they're struggling, though I still like my privacy when playing games. There's other things that I like about on PS4, but I'd rather not write too much about it. It's too early to assume things for the worst.

  104. CDS Friday 22nd Feb 2013 at 22:17

    I understand more power to be all of that.
    Every Star Wars Battlefront fan has been wishing that ever since they saw the leaked footage of SWB3.
    And then we get the cutting edge Elite Squadron on PSP.

    I loved both Elite Squadron and Renegade Squadron. The combines space/ground battles were particularly awesome.

    I do too. Still play Elite Squadron on my PSV and I feel it makes the most of what the PSP could do.
    The only thing I wish they had worked on was the controls.


    As for this latest fanboyism thing...
    Let's just leave it until all the cards are on the table for all three consoles, shall we?

  105. yoshimad Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 02:17

    What I've always loved about Nintendo is that they push for innovation and gameplay above everything else which in my opinion is the best thing games designers should strive for. :D

    pretty graphics and other things are nice but if the foundations are rubbish then what's the point of experiencing games? :D

    On a side note... Plus who doesn't want to see Link and Zelda in HD hahah.

  106. row101 Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 09:26

    The Wii U is doing worse than the Vita on weekly basis. Just check the NPD numbers.


    Difference being, WiiU has only been out since November (3 months) so it won't have many titles to start off with, whereas PSVita has been out since December (Japan) / February (International), which is over a year, so it has no excuse for the lack of titles. Both should pick up in sales when more titles are released, but right now people can't expect wow factor sale figures.


    The Vita's not going to improve. http://uk.playstation.com/psvita/games/ Only ten games coming to the Vita, and some of them might have to wait until 2014. Compare that to the amount of games coming to Wii U in the future.

  107. masamune Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 10:13

    not really interested in the ps4, none of the games announced really appeal to me (but then there's only like 5 so that's fine). i don't really mind the big focus on social aspects, but stuff like pre-downloading games before you even look at them has me a bit worried because i don't want my internet used up by games i probably won't buy anyway. shoulder buttons will still suck and what the hell are they doing with a touchpad on the controller?

  108. PikachuKJ Sunday 24th Feb 2013 at 01:12

    No. Nintendo will be fine as long as the games come out and are produced to the best of the developers ability. I mean the new games such as pokemon x and y, animal crossing new leaf and the new monster hunter will encourage more people to buy 3DS's and Wii U's. Playstation and xbox can have some good games but most of the them are unoriginal and lack the inovation that Nintendo has in it's little finger. Long live nintendo. Also for most of the time nintendo has been trading it hasn't suffered a loss. In fact a loss was recorded only in the last year. We should have faith in nintendo and the games that are made.

  109. King-X Sunday 24th Feb 2013 at 09:15

    stuff like pre-downloading games before you even look at them has me a bit worried because i don't want my internet used up by games i probably won't buy anyway.


    I'm not keen on that either but as long as that's provided on an optional basis (preferably defaulted to OFF) that's fine with me.

    As for Nintendo fans having cause to worry I'd say no. Technology and features aren't as big an issue as available games. As long as Nintendo do a good job with the latter that will suffice for a successful generation.

    For one thing, whereas PS4 will be capable of MegaHD, that's not an established market yet. There are still people around without HDTVs at all, let alone MegaHD so in the early days the graphical leap won't be that crucial. And while the visuals will look significantly more lush than on a PS3 it is not as big a leap as it was from the PS2 to the PS3.

    And WiiU having the lesser graphical capabilities does have the odd advantage; there will be less HD trash from people who think they can sell games on the basis of providing some HD eye candy that has little else to offer in terms of being a good game.

  110. Rilely Sunday 24th Feb 2013 at 14:49

    Admittedly, I am a big Nintendo fan. I do think they make great games. With that said, I don't know that the Game Pad offers enough innovation to prevent developers or gamers from missing using it as an added feature. I also think that in 2013, there are a number of studios, especially Sony's, that produce extremely high-quality games. Nintendo has an amazing portfolio of games but so do others.

    Honestly, I do think that Sony has captured more of the future-forward sharing features that players want rather than a second screen. At one point in time, all of us have wanted to play a triple A game on another system and may have not been able to on a Nintendo system. Yes that is part for the course, but there are numerous examples of a triple A game that was just simply not on Nintendo's platform.

    Nintendo's games aren't enough anymore. They just aren't. Many of them are repetitive experiences with minor tweaks that simply move into the next-generation. I think Nintendo has a lot to be worried about. A lot.

  111. epiclink Sunday 24th Feb 2013 at 19:15

    Graphics don't matter, Gameplay does.

  112. TrafalgarLaw Sunday 24th Feb 2013 at 23:26

    Graphics don't matter, Gameplay does.


    You need the hardware to make the gameplay the developer envisioned possible. Why do you not get this?
    Better hardware is not only for better graphics, better hardware is used for advanced geometry, bigger worlds, advanced animations, advanced AI. I understand that in any Mario game the goombas do not need more AI than moving to the left or right until it hits a wall, but for other games it does matter. Why does Nintendo not get this? Why are they insisting "innovation" through peripherals?

    Have gamers really been clamoring for a second screen on their lap or in their hands? Have gamers really been clamoring for tablet-sized controllers? Did most of Nintendo's R&D money sink into a glorified tablet gimmick?
    Where is this self-proclaimed innovation Nintendo has been touting? Do I look at a Wii U game and yell "TEH INNOVATION!"? No, I'm not looking for new ways to play the same old games I can get on any other consoles or PC. I'm looking for better games.

    To hell with "innovation" if titles like F-Zero are STILL absent. That Monolith game could be the redeeming factor, no doubt about it...that is, unless they are forced to cut corners on the Wii Underpowered.

  113. Lego master Monday 25th Feb 2013 at 07:18

    Graphics don't matter, Gameplay does.


    Graphics can be quite important, however games can be great without too good graphics (such as games like ALTTP which are still fun to play today) and quite a few people (such as the commenter above me) just think of them as more important than they actually are.

    Wii Underpowered.


    Wow... The Wii U may be underpowered in comparison to the coming out PS4 and so on however the Wii U graphics do look fine and pretty amazing on games such as trine 2 so I see no problem here.

  114. liveswired Monday 25th Feb 2013 at 23:21

    Graphics don't matter, Gameplay does.


    You need the hardware to make the gameplay the developer envisioned possible. Why do you not get this?
    Better hardware is not only for better graphics, better hardware is used for advanced geometry, bigger worlds, advanced animations, advanced AI. I understand that in any Mario game the goombas do not need more AI than moving to the left or right until it hits a wall, but for other games it does matter. Why does Nintendo not get this? Why are they insisting "innovation" through peripherals?

    Have gamers really been clamoring for a second screen on their lap or in their hands? Have gamers really been clamoring for tablet-sized controllers? Did most of Nintendo's R&D money sink into a glorified tablet gimmick?
    Where is this self-proclaimed innovation Nintendo has been touting? Do I look at a Wii U game and yell "TEH INNOVATION!"? No, I'm not looking for new ways to play the same old games I can get on any other consoles or PC. I'm looking for better games.

    To hell with "innovation" if titles like F-Zero are STILL absent. That Monolith game could be the redeeming factor, no doubt about it...that is, unless they are forced to cut corners on the Wii Underpowered.

    I don't say this to too many people, but you nailed it on the head.

    I don't mean to offend anyone here when I post and I am not arguing that Nintendo don't make fantastic games but I have big reservations about their Wii U hardware and the fact that since the PS4 announcement Nintendo's basic and catastrophically late attempt at social and online integration looks even more pitiful by the day.

    After dumping the Wii for a PS3 and having a good gaming PC I'm pretty much used to 'good' graphics and decent online integration on PS3 and seamless online on PC. When you are used to 1080p native on PC with ultra settings and AA, 720p can seem a bit low resolution on the eyes especially without MSAA.

    I don't see myself purchasing a Wii U to play slightly better looking ps3 games for the next 5 years. It's low resolution resistive touch screen controller already looks outdated to everyone BUT the blindest Nintendo lovers.

    I honestly don't know what Nintendo have been doing all this time, perhaps trying to finalise and arguing over how low tech they can go? Hopefully for their sakes some major Wii U titles will be shown off at E3.

  115. Lego master Tuesday 26th Feb 2013 at 07:31

    I don't see myself purchasing a Wii U to play slightly better looking ps3 games for the next 5 years. It's low resolution resistive touch screen controller already looks outdated to everyone BUT the blindest Nintendo lovers.


    Sure it's not extraordinary but it can display great images in games such as Trine 2. It really depends if the develepors put the effort into the game. You make some good points however even if graphics can be important (which they can at times) it's the games that people really buy a console for and If a game can be excellent without the use of Amazing Graphics (which has been done several times before) then graphics aren't that important. Anyway the Graphics on all consoles have already got to the point were things can look realistic. How far can they go other than just more realistic? Most games that appear on the PS4 could probably look fine on the Wii U, just a little less detailed.

  116. jarvismp78 Wednesday 20th Mar 2013 at 21:44

    Nope.

    Being serious for a moment, the Wii U is ace, but it must be advertised much better to succeed. Dimples.

    Hmmm. Interesting comments but better graphics do not mean better games. Yes, hardware means better Ai, but how have Sony showed this over the years? Hundreds of first person walk a bout games, some good, some awful. Gameplay wins every time but you have to sell consoles to do business and Nintendo must catch up on that score.
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    Graphics don't matter, Gameplay does.


    You need the hardware to make the gameplay the developer envisioned possible. Why do you not get this?
    Better hardware is not only for better graphics, better hardware is used for advanced geometry, bigger worlds, advanced animations, advanced AI. I understand that in any Mario game the goombas do not need more AI than moving to the left or right until it hits a wall, but for other games it does matter. Why does Nintendo not get this? Why are they insisting "innovation" through peripherals?

    Have gamers really been clamoring for a second screen on their lap or in their hands? Have gamers really been clamoring for tablet-sized controllers? Did most of Nintendo's R&D money sink into a glorified tablet gimmick?
    Where is this self-proclaimed innovation Nintendo has been touting? Do I look at a Wii U game and yell "TEH INNOVATION!"? No, I'm not looking for new ways to play the same old games I can get on any other consoles or PC. I'm looking for better games.

    To hell with "innovation" if titles like F-Zero are STILL absent. That Monolith game could be the redeeming factor, no doubt about it...that is, unless they are forced to cut corners on the Wii Underpowered

  117. Rai13 Wednesday 20th Mar 2013 at 22:31

    I edited your posts into 1 post. There's no need to triple post, just use the Edit button, thanks.

  118. jarvismp78 Friday 22nd Mar 2013 at 20:25

    Well said Chandra. Pretty much sums up why I love Nintendo. There is not a single game that can match the exploration of Zelda, the multiplayer of Mario Kart, the retro-style awesomeness of Mario.

    Let's get back to games and gaming and Wii U would win hands down, no matter what the others do. 8)

  119. jarvismp78 Saturday 30th Mar 2013 at 17:10

    What seems to be being missed here is that although first party Nintendo games will please us, it will not bring in new gamers and sell more consoles which is ultimately what will decide a consoles success or failure. PS4 will sell consoles no matter what because it is already being advertised better than Wii U and people know that PS4 is a new breed of console.
    Nintendo got their tactics wrong at launch and do not seem too concerned about changing them now. That is their choice but it still seems odd to me that Zelda and Mario at E3 seem to be all that Nintendo have to cling to. I am in no doubt that the games will be amazing but it is not enough. More Nintendo, more please.

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