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Why are you a Nintendo fan?

Chris Rooke explains why he chose Nintendo over Sony and Microsoft

I'm the first to admit that I don't have a hugely wide breadth of gaming experience outside of Nintendo. In fact, aside from a few PC games, I have very little experience of games not on Nintendo consoles. There are two good reasons for that...

Firstly, the game that started me gaming was Pokemon. I received a Game Boy Color and a copy of Pokemon Yellow for my seventh birthday, and since then I've been hooked on Nintendo handheld consoles.

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The second reason is more significant. You see, there was nothing stopping me from picking up a PSP, or a PS3 or Xbox 360 even after I'd bought my Wii. The crucial thing for me was the style of games that are available on each console.

I was discussing this with one of my good friends a few weeks ago, who challenged me on whether I'd consider buying the PS4 or the new Xbox when they come out. That question led to a discussion about what we're really looking for from games.

To me, games with huge amounts of realistic violence or bloody scenarios simply aren't fun. To me, gaming is an opportunity to experience stories that can't be told through books or films, and add an extra layer of immersion by letting the player interact with the characters. I find this is best represented through games that take a very fantastical angle on the normal and mundane, or when developers really let their imaginations run wild.

I'm sure these sorts of games are available on other consoles but most of the biggest games on other platforms (or, at least, the ones that generate the most headlines and magazine front covers) involve men with guns.

I was acutely aware of this during the PS4 launch event this week. I was watching, and instead of finding myself excited, or even curious, about the new console, I found myself getting intensely bored.

It felt like they were showing one first-person shooter after another, with very little difference in the core gameplay and game style. To me, that's what makes Nintendo different: while those games can and have been made on Nintendo consoles, the Wii and DS are home to a great deal of really original, fantasy, and fun content. The sort of games that put a smile on your face. I'm thinking Ace Attorney, Mario Galaxy and Animal Crossing.

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And while there's nothing wrong with the games shown at the PS4 event, for me, Nintendo embodies the spirit of those core values of fun, entertainment, and escapism better than any other.

So let me know what attracts you to Nintendo, or to other game companies for that matter? I don't want this to become a slanging match between fans of rival consoles so if you are planning on buying a PS4 as well as Wii U, feel free to post your thoughts...

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  1. lazy_by_choice Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 08:20

    I have to agree with you on the repetition of first-person shooter games; it does feel like they generally tend to approach that style of gameplay rather than anything else really. Although I will admit that the games previewed at the PS4 event did look genuinely cool and epic. Either way, I'd have to say Nintendo games are my first choice purely because they are fun and light-hearted, but I wont mind playing games with violence or bloody scenarios either. :D

  2. MarioWalrus Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 08:41

    I do like a shooter with a story though. Most shooters just give you the online multiplayer and say:
    "Well why dont you play for endless hours unlocking cool new stuff as you go with other people who are doing the same thing"
    There is no real final goal to multiplayer as you want to unlock the next thing, then the next, the next.I find no joy in repetition. I wish all shooters were like Half Life 2 and developers worked on the plot not the graphics and the violence. I feel that multiplayer is an "easy way out" for developers.

  3. lazy_by_choice Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 08:53

    There is no real final goal to multiplayer as you want to unlock the next thing, then the next, the next.I find no joy in repetition.

    Well said :)

  4. row101 Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 09:02

    I do like a shooter with a story though. Most shooters just give you the online multiplayer and say:
    "Well why dont you play for endless hours unlocking cool new stuff as you go with other people who are doing the same thing"
    There is no real final goal to multiplayer as you want to unlock the next thing, then the next, the next.I find no joy in repetition. I wish all shooters were like Half Life 2 and developers worked on the plot not the graphics and the violence. I feel that multiplayer is an "easy way out" for developers.

    I agree. I love a good single player game(e.g: Zelda), not all games have to be multiplayer. Which is why I was extremely dissapointed when I found out that dragon quest X would be a MMO. A paid one, nontheless. I loved Dragon quest IX, but no way am I getting Dragon quest X. I feel that RPG's shouldn't become too focused on multiplayer. Some genres fit the bill perfectly though, like Mario Kart, where, in my opinion, the multiplayer is the best of any game, and I wouldn't want the multiplayer to be taken out of Mario Kart. I'm a bit wary of the next Zelda as well, Nintendo mentioned Multiplayer in Nintendo Direct, but I hope they don't put too much in there, as I didn't like four swords.

  5. Kesskuron Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 09:10

    This is such a tired argument that doesn't hold any water

    You want non-violent, non FPS games on PS3/360? Then get Mirror's Edge, Viva Pinata, Sonic Generations, Ni No Kuni, Tales of Vesperia, Tales of Graces f, Portal 2, Sly Cooper, Fable 2/3, Valkyria Chronicles, Little Big Planet 1/2, Prince of Persia, Katamari Forever/Beautiful Katamari, Playstation All Stars Battle Royale, Marvel vs Capcom 3, Persona 4 Arena, Disgaea, Jak & Daxter, Ratchet & Clank, Journey, The Unfinished Swan, Flower, Sound Shapes, Quantum Conundrum, Awesomenauts, Trials Evolution, Minecraft, Braid, Fez, NiGHTs into dreams HD, Bastion, any sports game, any racing game, any puzzle game, etc etc. That's not even taking into account all the old PS1/PS2/XBOX games you can download.

    And I'm pretty sure they only showed 2 FPS' during the PS4 announcements; Killzone and Destiny. Did you completely ignore Knack, The Witness, Driveclub, Deep Down etc?

  6. bigterence Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 09:25

    Very much my gaming background detailed in this feature.Got very little to no interest in online play.Love Ninty first party franchises.Got absolutely no intention of purchasing new products from Micsft or Sony.May get PS3 at right price,but am more than satisfied with WiiU.

  7. Pyron12 Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 09:48

    All the PS4/XBOX 720 needs is a bland and repetitive shooter to become an instant success. I hate most of the FPS genre but I do have exceptions (Goldeneye 64 and TF2, because they are something the FPS aren't capable of being, fun). Most PS360 games are dark, violent and have realistic blood in them.
    There may have only been 2 FPS games shown at the announcement of the PS4 but more have still yet to come *looks at MW4*. Though I agree with Kess that you didn't use examples of other games like Portal, they are often overlooked by people talking about AC, CoD, BF etc.

  8. Nintendo4Ever Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 09:51

    My sig shows that I obviously agree with your first point. However, I have a PS3 and about two dozen games for it and not one of them is a FPS because I've never seen the appeal of games like COD and probably never will. The games I do have I enjoy playing, Sly Cooper, Assassin's Creed, inFamous, Flower and Flow to name the ones that aren't also on a Nintendo console (Assassin's Creed 3 aside).

    I enjoy the best of Nintendo and Playstation as they both have amazing exclusives and once Wind Waker HD is upon us I will upgrade to the Wii U and replay my Wii games in HD while I'm at it, then a few years down the line when newer models are released I will probably get the PS4 as well like I did with the PS3.

    To answer the question of this topic, I'm a Nintendo fan because I get to experience amazing games like Mario, Pokemon and Zelda that I can't experience anywhere else... and more recently their entertaining presentations!

  9. lazy_by_choice Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 09:57

    To answer the question of this topic, I'm a Nintendo fan because I get to experience amazing games like Mario, Pokemon and Zelda that I can't experience anywhere else... and more recently their entertaining presentations!

    I love your answer! Couldn't have said it better myself :)

  10. HughPR Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 10:08

    Tbh I've been considering this myself quite a lot recently. Very few of my friends know that I'm a Nintendo fan (even fewer know that I'm a total Pokefreak), not really because I'm embarrassed but it's not considered 'cool' (and all people's usual Nintendo hang-ups), but more I suppose since it's part of my private life, which only a few close friends are part of. As for why I like Nintendo, well, you can't play Zelda, Pokemon, Metroid, Kirby, Fire Emblem, and Mario anywhere else as many people have pointed out, but especially for me the DS had loads of great games, and I really prefer playing on portable consoles, and I don't really like the PSP. Overall I think nothing seems to scream 'fun' more than Nintendo, in a colourful and (in a good way) slightly childish way. There's enough violence in the world already for me not to want to play COD etc and I just want to have a bit of fun to relax, oh...and intense poke-training....

  11. masamune Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 10:09

    WAHAHAHAHAH oh wow

    before i start, i like nintendo games because i like good games and nintendo have made and play host to numerous good games

    Firstly, the game that started me gaming was Pokemon. I received a Game Boy Color and a copy of Pokemon Yellow for my seventh birthday, and since then I've been hooked on Nintendo handheld consoles.

    this is a poor justification, basically you're saying that you started with nintendo and therefore you don't want to play anything different

    To me, games with huge amounts of realistic violence or bloody scenarios simply aren't fun. To me, gaming is an opportunity to experience stories that can't be told through books or films, and add an extra layer of immersion by letting the player interact with the characters. I find this is best represented through games that take a very fantastical angle on the normal and mundane, or when developers really let their imaginations run wild.

    this is fine, but by dismissing games that engage in violence you're also dismissing a large number of fantastic titles. as long as you're okay with that and it's just a personal preference, yeah that's completely justified

    I'm sure these sorts of games are available on other consoles but most of the biggest games on other platforms (or, at least, the ones that generate the most headlines and magazine front covers) involve men with guns.

    I was acutely aware of this during the PS4 launch event this week. I was watching, and instead of finding myself excited, or even curious, about the new console, I found myself getting intensely bored.

    It felt like they were showing one first-person shooter after another, with very little difference in the core gameplay and game style. To me, that's what makes Nintendo different: while those games can and have been made on Nintendo consoles, the Wii and DS are home to a great deal of really original, fantasy, and fun content. The sort of games that put a smile on your face. I'm thinking Ace Attorney, Mario Galaxy and Animal Crossing.

    this argument is (literally) years old and has never really held any validity. yes, the biggest and most popular genre at the moment is the first-person shooter, so it's natural that a large number of them are going to be produced. it was exactly the same for platformers 20 years ago, for shmups 30 years ago.

    but just because there are a lot of fps' on the PS3 and 360, don't you dare dismiss them as having no worthwhile games that appeal to you. you freely say that "I'm sure that these sorts of games are available on other consoles", which betrays the fact that you haven't actually done your research as you are clearly not confident in your claim, and it is simply a weak attempt to inject some semblance of balance to your wildly skewed and unbalanced argument. of freaking course Sony going to show numerous first-person shooters and bloody, action-oriented titles because they know that there is a really big audience for those games on their consoles, but didn't you see the other games that weren't that? like Knack, Drive Club, and that one by the guy who did Braid? the only FPS' they even showed were Killzone and apparently Destiny (i got bored before it was shown)

    if you want great games that aren't FPS' and are very enjoyable and occasionally very inventive, just look at Kess' list, plus a few other games: Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, any Metal Gear, Vanquish, DoDonPachi Resurrection, DeathSmiles, Blue Dragon, Demon's Souls, Dark Souls, El Shaddai, Eternal Sonata, 3D Dot Game Heroes, etcetera etcetera. if you actually bothered to look you'd find a large number of games that you're interested in, i guarantee it

    I do like a shooter with a story though. Most shooters just give you the online multiplayer and say:
    "Well why dont you play for endless hours unlocking cool new stuff as you go with other people who are doing the same thing"
    There is no real final goal to multiplayer as you want to unlock the next thing, then the next, the next.I find no joy in repetition. I wish all shooters were like Half Life 2 and developers worked on the plot not the graphics and the violence. I feel that multiplayer is an "easy way out" for developers.

    well done in managing to be anti-social and autistic. i mean, i don't play games online very much either, but do you just not know how to play games with other people? multiplayer isn't about unlocking everything and doing the same mission over, it's about having fun with other people, i mean good god is it that hard to understand

    Which is why I was extremely dissapointed when I found out that dragon quest X would be a MMO. A paid one, nontheless. I loved Dragon quest IX, but no way am I getting Dragon quest X. I feel that RPG's shouldn't become too focused on multiplayer.

    but CRPGs by their very nature work well with multiplayer, western crpgs much more so than jrpgs i will admit. i mean come on, the genre sprung from one of the ultimate social and multiplayer games

    All the PS4/XBOX 720 needs is a bland and repetitive shooter to become an instant success. I hate most of the FPS genre but I do have exceptions (Goldeneye 64 and TF2, because they are something the FPS aren't capable of being, fun). Most PS360 games are dark, violent and have realistic blood in them.

    someone hasn't played TimeSplitters, Halo, or Doom. and that last remark is a very crass generalisation to make, it's like saying that most Nintendo games are light and fluffy kiddy crap

  12. epiclink Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 10:26

    I grew up with Pokemon and Mario, until I discovered Pikmin, Legend of Zelda, and then Kirby. Then I got Animal crossing, Miyamoto, your awesome! :D

  13. martynm Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 10:28

    i'm very much in agreement. Although i respect FPS games they just don't do it to me. Tat and a lot of nintendo games don't tend to be cynical at all like some games.

    Funnily, my first gaming experience was a Game Boy and a pokemon game.

    And if there has been anything i've learnt from owning second hand other consoles is that i always, at some point, miss nintendo.

    Maybe that's just me...

  14. King Slazo Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 10:38

    Why am I a Nintendo fan? Because of the games I can only play on Nintendo formats.

    Why do I own a 360? Because of the games I can only play on that.

    Why do I own all Sony formats? Because of the games I can only play on them.

    The "exclusives" argument is a non-starter, because every system gets great exclusive games over its lifetime, and if you're not stupid enough to make childish assumptions and sweep them under the rug, you can find amazing experiences no matter what you buy.

    Ultimately, I'm a fan of gaming, which means I don't proclaim allegiance to any individual company, because doing so is close-minded, and moronic.

  15. KnuxIBF Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 10:40

    I went into Radio 1 on Thursday to talk about this, but I'm the same - outside of Nintendo, I've not had another console since the original PlayStation, and that was a hand-me-down!

  16. torterratrainer Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 10:55

    I find Nintendo my favourite company because the quality of its games are almost unmatched. Look at the horror of aliens colonial marines. If Nintendo was developing this game, sure we would wait longer but the quality of the game would be amazing. Each new console release gives me a tingle of excitement at the sheer creativity in its design, not the graphical output. Sony's PS4 is likely to fail as too much power and not enough company "love" is put into it. It's Microsoft which is the real competitor here with the Nextbox's answer to mario in halo and their BIG BLACK BOX :)

  17. RiksilveR Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 11:01

    I think for me it's two main reasons. Firstly, it was where I started gaming: my first game was pokemon yellow (because my brother got annoyed at me constantly stealing his copy of red) and its where I stayed, mainly due to the sheer brilliance of the Nintendo exclusives. I did end up with a ps2 instead of a GameCube, but other than Wipeout, Jak and Daxter and Ratchet and Clank, it didn't really appeal to me. I missed out on a Wii as well, seeing as my brother had a job and I didn't which meant we got a PS3, and although I've found a lot more to entertain me than on the PS2 I've always looked on in jealousy at all the awesome wii games, particularly MH3, Skyward Sword and Xenoblade Chronicles. Now that I'm old enough to get a job I'm hoping to be able to get a Wii U by the end of the year though.
    The second reason is the nature of Nintendo. Whereas Sony and Microsoft always seem more focused on moneymaking, Nintendo has always been more focused on making games the best they can be: just look at how long they delayed Ocarina of Time. They also take life so much less seriously. Compare the announcements that Sony and Nintendo have made recently: Sony had a big flashy lightshow and voices booming about the future of gaming, and Nintendo had some of its most senior members turned into miis and trying to suck each other into a Poltergust 5000. For me, that just says it all.
    And Masamune, please don't start telling everyone they're wrong, these are opinions. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean you have to ridicule everyone else.

  18. dap005 Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 11:11

    I do keep a keen eye on the other consoles (not for games with glorified violence in them but titles like noby noby boy, ni no Kuni, dark souls, Catherine, journey, MGS etc) for the obscure games I'm interested in. It's always good to look a little deep then the gazillions gritty filled impressions (though some well executed games such as spec op unfortunately get ignored because of said stereotypical thinking) that games on other consoles give off because there will always be some treasure laying beneath. Naturally the more kind of games there are the more diverse gaming is so I won't write off a demographic of games of any genre.

    Having said that I'm extremely thankful to have been introduced to the world of Nintendo through the ds and wii as well as of course ONM. That's when I started becoming even more interested in gaming as a whole. It's a bit lame to say that I got lured in by Pokemon and wii's motion control + ssbb but without that catalyst I would not have discovered this diverse and constantly surprising hobby. Moreover it's Nintendo (along with the first game i played: curse of Monkey Island) that helped cement my taste for eccentric games.

  19. masamune Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 11:12

    And Masamune, please don't start telling everyone they're wrong, these are opinions. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean you have to ridicule everyone else.

    why shouldn't i? i disagree with their opinions and find them silly and illogical, and i'm saying why i disagree.

    st-stop oppressing me!!!!

  20. scouserfuller9 Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 11:18

    In the late 80's/early 90's I wasn't a fan of either Nintendo or SEGA, I used to find Sonic my favourite game though. The PS and SEGA Saturn were released and both I found poor. Was still there playing my MD and SNES. My uncle got a N64 and I was would play it when at his house. He then went away so let me borrow it which and I fell in love with it! Mario 64 is awesome and then Zelda OOT arrived. Being 15 at the time, I was running around shops trying to hand in some old games to purchase it but sadly when having the money, it was out of stock :-( There's loads more to say. Being against Zelda's art style in the WW when first seeing it, but once seeing a video, loved it!! I was never really into first person shoot-em-ups but Metroid is a totally different one and I love is another one.

    Now I'm very good at turning people off MS and PS though. I know what games they're likely be into and like my uncle, let them borrow a console and have them hooked to it! My bros a MS fan but I have his kids wanting a Wii U now :-)

    I also have a huge collection of Nintendo bits and bobs. Limited edition consoles (Zelda, Mario and Nintendo DS lites just some) plush toys, books, the list goes on! I did email pics into the magazine but nothing has been shown in there. Any update on where I can email them to again ONM???

  21. OrangeRakoon Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 11:19

    This is a completely ridiculous article which just highlights the author's lack of knowledge, experience and appreciation of the industry as a whole. See points made above my Kess and King Slazo.

    I love Nintendo, and am a Nintendo fan. But my reasoning for that is because I love a lot of Nintendo games, not because I've only ever played Nintendo games and don't know anything about other consoles so just assume they don't have games that I will like on them, which is completely false.

  22. keir Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 11:21

    I am a nintendo fan because when I was 5 I got a Nintendo DS and a R4 and it had Mario, pokemon and it was 1st video game consle.

  23. RBNDKR Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 11:59

    Nintendo consoles and handhelds have been fed to me since I was a small kid, so you might say I grew into liking it. That said, I've tried PC gaming, Xbox/Xbox360, PSone/2&3, but as I turned adult I knew where my heart was. Nintendo.
    I'm a massive fan, out of pure respect, because they keep on doing their own thing. I've started seeing everything else as (slight) Ninty-ripoffs, *looks at remoteplay with Vita.. (to name but one.)*
    What the other giants in the industry will seemingly never be able to do, is to make innovative platforms, nor their own one-of-a-kind, heartfelt videogames. Basically just powered-up versions of their predecessor.
    I will feed my kids Nintendo, and let them experience something stronger than videogaming, too. Nintendo does more than making a powerhouse to let devs build the latest FPS or MMORPG's for, they do it theirselves by making NEW games, and at the same time showing that GAMES is where their heart lies, not in clockspeeds and RAM memory.

  24. GiftedGimp Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 12:43

    Why am I with Nintendo fan, well I'm a fan of whoever makes a console that matches my wants.
    I got a WiiU because I don't want 10hr singleplayer games that a few months after release you buy a unlock key for extra content already on the game disc.
    MarioU is a huge game compared to almost all non-rpg games found on ps3/xbox, in fact I know a lot of 3ds games are bigger than those.
    You see Sony/Microsoft and 3rd party devs (which no doubt will also apply to wiiu tbf) rely on getting as many people as possible to buy the game at launch, then pay for a load of content at regular intervals through out the year untill the sequel releases.
    Don't get me wrong I don't mind dlc, when its not a unlock key for stuff on the disc already and that dlc is not something that should of been included in the game in the first place.
    Its got to the point on ps3/xbox that MarioU would have half the content, you would buy at least 1 world, One world would be only redeemable as a code with new copies of the game, the challenge levels etc, would be dlc mode and the extra items you can store would be operated as a micro-transaction system where you would buy them.

    Nintendo themselves won't (for the WiiU at least) go this route. They put games first, and as MarioU's Luigi dlc shows, they will only do dlc if it truely adds something new to a game.

  25. RiksilveR Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 13:07

    And Masamune, please don't start telling everyone they're wrong, these are opinions. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean you have to ridicule everyone else.

    why shouldn't i? i disagree with their opinions and find them silly and illogical, and i'm saying why i disagree.

    st-stop oppressing me!!!!

    I'm not saying you can't disagree, just be a little nicer about it, otherwise it'll quickly descend into angry slanging matches :P

  26. Baker1000 Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 13:20

    I'm a Nintendo fan mostly because I prefer the games you get from Nintendo which you can't get anywhere else. I play barely any third party games, and even then they're mostly exclusive to Nintendo systems. I don't know but sometimes when I play certain third party games, it just seems to lack that shine and brilliance of a Nintendo first party game. As if they just didn't put in the some amount of love and effort. I know Nintendo consoles are known for having a poor third party record these days, but I can't help but imagine I'd get the same sense of "I really don't care much for this game" when playing most of the games on PS3 and 360. I'm probably totally wrong, but I know what I'm getting when I buy a Nintendo game.

    There is also the aspect of playing games as an experience, not as a time wasting exercise. Most of the games on other consoles seem to be the latter. Yeah let's just mong out on COD all night playing online, or blitz through a season on FIFA because I'm bored. No thanks. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy a good competitive game such as Mario Kart, but I also like my games to have more than just online multiplayer. Games that have you torn between whether or not you spend all your play time during a session in single player or online, and you try to give each equal attention. I don't want to play a 5 hour campaign mode which has been included probably to give players a bit of practise before spending the rest of their time online.

    It's also this aspect of playing in order to experience a game over just killing time that puts me off smartphone gaming. People who know me say to me "I thought you'd be well into iPhone games because you're a gamer". Well, I do have an iPod Touch, but no, I don't use it to play games. I've never downloaded Angry Birds on it, and I probably never will. Most of the games you get on smartphones, such as Angry Birds or Temple Run, are designed as simple time killers which pull you in through addictive elements like high score chasing or puzzle solving. (this ain't the 80s no more, but I'd rather play Tetris, Pac-man or Space Invaders any day) They're made for phones because they're portable, and don't require a huge investment of time to a) become good at it and b) progress through the levels/challenges. And because they're on phones, they're with you all the time and are perfect for wasting time when waiting for a bus or taking a train journey. So when I hear people (especially news reporters who don't know what they're on about) say "dedicated games consoles could soon be a thing of the past due to the rise of smartphone gaming" I'm deeply perplexed by the thought. Games consoles and smartphones aim (or should aim, in PS3 and 360's case) to please different types of gamers. One one side you've got people who want to simply kill time (smartphone gamers) and on the other you've got people who want a more fleshed out game in which to sink their teeth into (console gamers). It is possible for both to exist, and it is possible that one person can enjoy both, but it doesn't mean smartphone games are the future. Or at least it shouldn't, because that would be a bleak future indeed.

  27. Casplen Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 13:23

    And Masamune, please don't start telling everyone they're wrong, these are opinions.

    Oh look, the opinion card. Please understand that poorly formed and supported opinions can indeed be wrong. Just because it's your opinion, it doesn't mean it's exempt from scrutinisation or people saying that it's incorrect.

    And I really do have to agree with Slazo, Kess, and OR on the matter- I can only echo their sentiments.

  28. OrangeRakoon Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 13:23

    I've started seeing everything else as (slight) Ninty-ripoffs, *looks at remoteplay with Vita.. (to name but one.)*

    It just isn't true when people say everyone else copies Nintendo's ideas. Everyone borrows from everyone in the industry. In your example of Vita remoteplay for PS4, I would point out that PSP can remoteplay PS3 content. Even back when it was first released, PSP could link-up to PS2 via USB (I know as I did it with JakX on PS2 and Daxter on PSP - linking up unlocked things in both games). Sure Nintendo also had GBA connectivity to Gamecube, and before then GBC link-up with N64 with Mario Tennis and Pokemon as examples. But it's clear to see the idea/tech developed across multiple companies over many years.

    The same goes with motion control. That's been around a lot longer than the wii, although that did undoubtedly popularise it and encourage the other companies to further develop their own motion control. GBA had Warioware: Twisted!, while PS2 had eyetoy. There are tech demos that you can find online of Sony tech-people playing around with the eyetoy with a very early prototype of a move-like controller, which came before the wii. It might not have gone anywhere had the Wii not come along and shown the large market for it, but it just isn't a case of Nintendo having an idea and Sony or Microsoft copying it.

    Nintendo themselves won't (for the WiiU at least) go this route. They put games first, and as MarioU's Luigi dlc shows, they will only do dlc if it truely adds something new to a game.

    I would argue the only real reason we haven't seen DLC with Nintendo on any comparable scale to Sony or Microsoft is because until WiiU came along Nintendo consoles just haven't had the same capacity to do it.

  29. jaco_p Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 13:31

    There's plenty on other consoles to like aside from shooters. Seems you have a somewhat blinkered view. Everyone on these forums could probably sympathise with people saying about how the wii is only for kids/full of shovelware/only has mario and zelda, yet we know this to simply not be true. I myself have over 50 wii games and very few are aimed at children.
    You saying that rival consoles only seem to have bland shooters is a hypocrisy. Every hardware company has it's good points and bad points, my heart will always belong to nintendo, but i'm sure i will dig up plenty of gems on other consoles that excite me.

  30. LeoCantus Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 14:13

    An interesting article, you put forward a strong argument. Nevertheless, I don't think I could enjoy having one Nintendo console. As much as I enjoy the experiences I cannot find elsewhere such as Zelda, Mario, Ace Attorney, Professor Layton etc. there are games on other consoles that are not purely the same old generic first person shooters. Take Uncharted for example, or inFAMOUS.

  31. CDS Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 14:24

    First, I'll answer the question.
    I'm more inclined towards Nintendo games for the joy of playing them, and it's also where I first experienced Sonic the Hedgehog games. However, I can really only remember owning a short few games on the Game Boy/Colour and most of those were indeed Pokťmon. With the GBA, that was expanded a bit with Sonic Advance 2 and Yu-Gi-Oh as well as a few others. However, I have owned all Playstation consoles, but that was just for third party content, but no first person shooters.

    Now then, I am just going to say one game series. Take it into mind if you will. And then state your opinions. This is my argument for all these opinions saying a] No good games on Playstation/XBOX and b] Shooters and violence cannot be fun, as well as c] Multiplayer being a bore and developers should focus on the plot.

    Star Wars Battlefront.

  32. PeterR Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 14:26

    I love how so many people at (I'd have to assume) my sort of age got in to Nintendo through the same games, Pokemon red/blue/yellow, and moved on from there.

  33. Mello Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 14:35

    The reason I'm still a Nintendo fan is mainly because I still play video games, and I've been playing Nintendo games since the NES. Of all the systems the only one where I really lost interest was the Gamecube and I still bought and played that (I was just regularly disappointed by the games personally). Nintendo are kind of a comparable company for me as Disney would be for a lot of other people, at the risk of sounding corny it has a sort of magical quality to it's characters and some of it's games, partly due to nostalgia of course, but partly because they still build really good imaginitive games around them.

    But personally I play Sony consoles as well. Last gen I had a Wii and DS, PS3 and PSP, this coming gen I have my Wii U, 3DS and Vita and I'll be getting a PS4 as well.

    There are things that frustrate the hell out of me from both Nintendo and Sony, and things I'll praise for each. Nintendo are my favourite sentimentally but I'd say I probably split my time pretty equally across my Playstation stuff and my Nintendo stuff (though 3DS is currently my favourite platform overall, with PS3 just ahead of the Wii U at the present moment).

    Ultimately it's totally cool that some people only like Nintendo, and some people dislike Nintendo, but it frustrates the hell out of me when I read people saying one set of games is right, or good, and the other set is wrong, or bad. There is plenty of variety across all platforms, and quite a lot of people don't seem to be able to separate their personal taste with an objective opinion of whether something is good or not, they just think "I don't like this; therefore this is bad".

  34. Scraggy man Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 14:57

    I like them for the games pure and simple. I think all three big systems have their fair share of greats I just think that Nintendo suits me more I like a simple and colourful game sometimes and they always provide the best of the best. If I want something a little darker and bloodier then the others csan provide.

  35. vtheyoshi Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 16:41

    I'm a Nintendo fan because of the fact that Nintendo is almost unrivalled in terms of sheer game quality and the amount of care they put into what they make. I just love the games, and the characters too (Samus, Luigi, Yoshi, Ridley and Bowser being the highlights). In an age where games are becoming more and more violent and realistic, Nintendo provides something more innocent, less serious. A true form of escapism. Something truly fun, and that is what a guy sometimes hungers for.

    I've been a Nintendo fan my whole life, and always will be.
    P.S. I don't hate violent games, I just find the violence is a little off putting sometimes.

  36. harraseda Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 16:59

    For me there are two crucial aspects.
    1. Innovation.
    Since the DS, Nintendo has come out with innovation after innovation. Parallel Screens, Motion Control, 3D, Touch screen gaming... Microsoft and Sony are behind on those fronts. The Kinect was good, but lacked real support from any well-known devs. The move was abysmal. Aside from that all we have in 'improved' consoles are RAM, graphics and other specs.
    2. First Party Support
    Nintendo have so many unique games! Animal Crossing, Zelda, Mario, Pikmin, Star Fox, Kid Icarus, Smash Bros... Microsoft have Halo, Sony have Little Big Planet... OK, so I don't know much about these games. In all honesty, Halo is a game I'd like to try. That said, I'd hardly buy a console because of one game. And I don't really know any of Sony's big brands. All the other multi-platform games are already on PC, which is much better for me anyway.

    So this is why I'm a nintendo fan. Also Pokemon.

  37. Roberto Ninty Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 17:08

    I agree that the other consoles offer great game experiences, whether or not they are FPS games. I, myself, own a PS3, and I do enjoy some FPS multiplayer action; in fact, in own a copy of COD: MW3 and COD:BlOps2. That said, I have been a Nintendo fan since my early childhood, and I have grown up with Nintendo. I grew up playing Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Kirby, Pokemon, Donkey Kong, and many other wonderful Nintendo franchise games. Each of those games are quirky and lighthearted, and some are even quite epic (pretty much all Zelda and Metriod games). Also, the innovation and love that Nintendo puts into their games and hardware, is unique. While Nintendo's priority is not pushing for the highest processing power and best graphics, they focus on other areas, namely all of the minor (and sometimes major) changes to the hardware that will allow for new and fun ways to play games. For these, and many other, reasons, I am a Nintendo fan first and foremost. Being a Nintendo fan does not mean that I cannot appreciate other consoles or even those FPS games. However, Nintendo for me is unique and offers many different things (other than first-party games) that the other consoles do not.

  38. Roberto Ninty Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 17:17

    It is possible for both to exist, and it is possible that one person can enjoy both, but it doesn't mean smartphone games are the future. Or at least it shouldn't, because that would be a bleak future indeed.

    I complete agree with you!

  39. Kesskuron Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 17:24

    So much stupidity in this thread
    It's actually mad me a little bit sad

  40. Riverlution Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 17:28

    There were some really poor arguments in the article IMO. A few other members have already said why so I won't repeat them.

    Being a Nintendo fan is fine, but being an exclusively Nintendo fan is depressing. You get amazing experiences on all of the consoles.

    Personally, I've always enjoyed Nintendo games most, but I've also fallen in love with series that haven't been on Nintendo consoles. Only a small fraction of those were FPSs.

    To me, gaming is an opportunity to experience stories that can't be told through books or films, and add an extra layer of immersion by letting the player interact with the characters. I find this is best represented through games that take a very fantastical angle on the normal and mundane, or when developers really let their imaginations run wild.

    OK - fine. A lot of Nintendo games outside of Mario offer this, but you clearly know NOTHING about some of the amazing series on the other consoles. Lots of games in the lists Kesskuron and masamune posted are great examples of these, some much more so than Nintendo. Its fine to say that Nintendo games have good stories, but don't phrase it in a way to knock games on other platforms when a lot of them are vastly superior in this aspect.

  41. Not_Yeti Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 18:15

    This is such a tired argument that doesn't hold any water

    You want non-violent, non FPS games on PS3/360? Then get Mirror's Edge, Viva Pinata, Sonic Generations, Ni No Kuni, Tales of Vesperia, Tales of Graces f, Portal 2, Sly Cooper, Fable 2/3, Valkyria Chronicles, Little Big Planet 1/2, Prince of Persia, Katamari Forever/Beautiful Katamari, Playstation All Stars Battle Royale, Marvel vs Capcom 3, Persona 4 Arena, Disgaea, Jak & Daxter, Ratchet & Clank, Journey, The Unfinished Swan, Flower, Sound Shapes, Quantum Conundrum, Awesomenauts, Trials Evolution, Minecraft, Braid, Fez, NiGHTs into dreams HD, Bastion, any sports game, any racing game, any puzzle game, etc etc. That's not even taking into account all the old PS1/PS2/XBOX games you can download.

    And I'm pretty sure they only showed 2 FPS' during the PS4 announcements; Killzone and Destiny. Did you completely ignore Knack, The Witness, Driveclub, Deep Down etc?


    You realise none of the games you listed you will be able to play on your new console.

  42. Kesskuron Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 18:36

    Despite the fact the the PS4 can stream PS1/2/3 games
    Also despite the fact that Tales of Vesperia, Beautiful Katamari, Viva Pinata, Trials Evolution, Fez and Minecraft aren't on PS3, they're on 360, and therefore you have no basis to say whether or not they'll run on the nextbox since none of the specs have been confirmed

    Besides, the article wasn't about PS4, he just mentioned it in passing and then went on to speak about current gen consoles

  43. Kirby8 Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 18:40

    For me, I love Nintendo because of all the series they have. That's not to say other consoles didn't or don't have great series too though. I started gaming when I was very very young (about 3 or so) mainly because I had a brother who was 3 years older then me, so my parents would buy games and the like for all of us (me, my older sister and older brother)...but of course they probably wouldn't have brought it if it was just me. We firstly got a SNES and then a Game Boy with Kirby and, later, Blue version, with the other versions to follow.
    Over the years, we have had other consoles apart from Nintendo. I, of course, always wanted the Nintendo consoles, but my siblings wanted the next big thing...the Playstation. We ended up getting both the N64 and PS1 and then the PS2 and, after some hassle, the GC (I really really wanted to GC rather then the PS2, but they got the PS2 and after some time and pressure, I got the GC). And, of course, I did have some fun on Sony's consoles with great games like Spyro, Crash and Jak and Daxter. But I had equally as much fun with Mario 64, Pokťmon Snap and Luigi's Mansion.

    When it came to the next gen, I wanted the Wii and got that, and my brother wanted the PS3 and got that. My brother hardly plays his for reasons unknown, but I have played the PS3 at my cousins, and of course there are great games there too, like LBP. But I'd much rather play Mario. Of course I could play both, but I don't really have money or time to play games on two home consoles and my portables.
    On the note of portables, after getting the GB (which was primarily my brothers but we also had to share), I got the GBC for my birthday. Then my brother got the GBA and I played with it sometimes too until I got the GBA SP. Then the DS came and that was for my birthday and it was fantastic, adding even more great series to the mix like Phoenix Wright and Layton. And portable Animal Crossing...amazing! My brother did buy himself a PSP but again, for reasons unknown, it did not get very much play time. I've played my cousin's one and, while I'm sure there are some great games there, I didn't get any fun out of it. I couldn't ever pass up on Nintendo's portable offerings because I'm obsessed with Pokťmon...and need it in my life.

    This current gen, I bought myself the 3DS and the Wii U and love them a lot. I buy Nintendo for the franchises like Mario, Pokťmon, Kirby, Zelda, DK, Wright, Layton among others...and all related games (such as smash bros. and Kart). Of course, this doesn't mean there aren't fantastic games that I would love on other consoles. I was very disappointed that Ni No Kuni DS never got localised and really want to play it. And maybe I will at my cousins or friends on their PS3. But I don't have time or money to play everything, so I pick and choose. And I've picked and chosen Nintendo. =)

  44. Mr Roboto Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 18:44

    Mainly just Zelda and Mario for me.

  45. geengy Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 19:02

    Whenever I'm at my friend's house, he always invites me over so he can do co-op in Borderlands 2. There's no denying there's humour and millions of guns, but after 10 minutes it just isn't fun to play.

  46. K-tet Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 19:36

    Guess it's time for me to chime in.

    Why am I a Nintendo fan? Because they have the most interesting IPs, the most prolific games, and they retain their heritage without being too alien. They have the balls to try new things, yet have been at the forefront of innovation in the industry. They have a quirkiness that teases at the imagination, but also have their own crowd pleaser's. They have the greatest videogame developer in history in Shigeru Miyamoto, and have been responsible for some of the greatest games ever made, period.

    For me, the NES was my first console of choice. Since then, I've been enjoying the older, more concrete choice of gaming over the modern generation. I started with a NES, and I progressed to experience both Sega and Nintendo's masterpieces from there on in. As an oldskool gamer with over 20 years experience, it's imperative that the heritage and tradition of the industry we all love remains in place. You get something with Nintendo games that you can't experience with any Sony or Microsoft game, and I'm not talking about nostalgia either.

    While the industry has indeed changed (and, in my view, for the worst rather than the better), you can be sure that while the safer options are far too mainstream for my liking, Nintendo will always be different, and will continue to be different in their own way, be it with hardware (Wii U) or software (future collaborations). Nintendo will have faults, all the companies do, but Nintendo offer something, like a kind of magic, that you just can't experience on other consoles.

    I guess that's why for me, modern Nintendo hardware make it a safe bet for my investment, because while I've played modern games, they're just not as enjoyable as those I've grown up with, and Nintendo can create something new whilst retaining that magic that keeps me coming back for more.

  47. 1singie Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 19:55

    i started my gaming with vextrex, atari, amstrd and spectrum, but it was the nes that really made me a gamer. no saves and endless supply of lives meant large amounts of time in my room with the likes of megaman 2 mario 2 and 3, cobra triangle, super off road, to name but a few. i have had most consoles released here, atari lynx included, and nintendo always out shined the rest.

  48. Switzerninmaster Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 20:34

    Why am I a Nintendo fan you ask? Well for one, I couldn't possibly imagine being a fan of any other company. It's not just the games, though they are incredibly imaginative and colourful and brilliant, it's the people too. Reading things like "Iwata Asks" makes Iwata, Miyamoto, Tezuka feel more like a friend rather than anything else, they feel approachable. You see that they have feelings and you understand their thoughts and how they work and that stops Nintendo being a company and creates them into a friend. Nintendo Directs, a work of brilliance, creates a special bond between you and Iwata, I used to think that if I ever met Iwata, I'd drop to my knees and kiss his shoes but now it's more, "Hey Iwata, lets grab a beer (or whatever drink he likes) down at the local bar!"

    Of course, there's also their innovative nature, fantastic IPs (lest we forget some of them however), their different strategies on running a business and just that general quirkiness that makes you think "Why did they do that?" for a few days before you fully understand the motives behind the decision.

    And finally, for a reason so many forget and the reason I originally started playing games, is because I have fun. There's no denying that you can have fun on other consoles and games too but Nintendo builds games around the concept and that makes them so much more enjoyable.

    So that's why I'm a Nintendo fan and probably always will be.

  49. NOM is NOM Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 20:47

    I'm a Nintendo fan for 3 Reasons;

    Pokemon
    Zelda
    Mario

    Don't get me wrong, I think the company is the best in terms of giving the fans what they want, and staying true to the pure gaming experience, but ultimately it's the exclusive games I come back for every time the 'Big N' releases a console.

    I'm not a fanboy either, Nintendo is by far my biggest love when it comes to gaming but I don't feel like I'm 'betraying' them by owning a PS3 - or by going out and buying a PS4 this year, because I want the best gaming experience for me and unfortunately some games are badly ported to Nintendo systems and run better and feel more natural on a Sony system so why not have the option? I'm hoping to get Watch_Dogs on Wii U, but if it's suffers in anyway from being a port and the GamePad isn't utilised right I'll probably pick it up on PS4 instead.

  50. koopatroopa2011 Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 20:55

    Why am I a Nintendo fan? Its simply because Nintendo have that charm in games that just doesn't come with some other games. They also make some of the greatest characters of all time. Without Nintendo, the video game market would be dead or very different.

  51. fisher2007 Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 22:21

    I am Nintendo fan because i enjoy their game's.

  52. Waldy565 Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 23:11

    I would explain why I'm a Nintendo fan, but you've explained my journey too. I witnessed it with Wii. I was a massive PS2 fan thanks to Spyro, and so naturally I wanted a PS3, but I had also got a Wii the year before. I was trying to balance the gameplay between the two, but ended up selling the Playstation because I'd poured so much time into the Wii. Long live Nintendo's creativity!

  53. Waldy565 Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 23:15

    This is such a tired argument that doesn't hold any water

    You want non-violent, non FPS games on PS3/360? Then get Mirror's Edge, Viva Pinata, Sonic Generations, Ni No Kuni, Tales of Vesperia, Tales of Graces f, Portal 2, Sly Cooper, Fable 2/3, Valkyria Chronicles, Little Big Planet 1/2, Prince of Persia, Katamari Forever/Beautiful Katamari, Playstation All Stars Battle Royale, Marvel vs Capcom 3, Persona 4 Arena, Disgaea, Jak & Daxter, Ratchet & Clank, Journey, The Unfinished Swan, Flower, Sound Shapes, Quantum Conundrum, Awesomenauts, Trials Evolution, Minecraft, Braid, Fez, NiGHTs into dreams HD, Bastion, any sports game, any racing game, any puzzle game, etc etc. That's not even taking into account all the old PS1/PS2/XBOX games you can download.

    And I'm pretty sure they only showed 2 FPS' during the PS4 announcements; Killzone and Destiny. Did you completely ignore Knack, The Witness, Driveclub, Deep Down etc?


    We're not particularly disagreeing with the above, we are just expressing our genuine joy that no other company except Nintendo can give us from there games! :D - I know, I'm a Sony fan a little tbh myself.

  54. mooksam22 Saturday 23rd Feb 2013 at 23:17

    Anyone who dismisses other consoles out of ignorance of their game libraries is missing out on some amazing games - some of the best ever made, I fact. I'm not going to bother making lists. I think you owe it to yourselves to research them and hey, maybe even play them. Don't worry, it won't make you any less of a Nintendo fan. They won't send out little Pikmin hitmen to kill you while you sleep. I particularly love RPGs, so Sony hardware has been very good to me over the years. :D

    As to why I'm a Nintendo fan, it's actually very simple. It's because I love their games, particularly Zelda and 3D Mario. They're wondrous! As long as they keep making those games I'll keep buying the consoles to play them on.

  55. liveswired Sunday 24th Feb 2013 at 00:32

    I have a 3DS and a PS3.

    Prior to the PS3 I owned every Nintendo console since the NES. I owned the tepid Wii up until 2010 and then sold it on and purchased a mint 60gb PS3 - which has provided me with amazing gaming experiences ever since. My last PC build in 2008 is significantly more powerful than the Wii U - as much as Nintendo like to offer 'new' experiences, the lack of power and reliance on ancient technologies within their consoles and online infrastructure act as a bottleneck for their designers and innovation.

    Nintendo are simply excellent at designing portable games for on the go, but even the 3DS is hampered by poor build quality and a blurry resistive touchscreen - I will probably never buy another Nintendo home console again.

    A 3D Mario title running in 720p with no AA on Wii U will have about the same graphical impact as Mario running on the Wii in 480p in 2007. Mario however would look stunning and feel relevant again on a PS4 running in 1080p.

  56. PikachuKJ Sunday 24th Feb 2013 at 01:41

    I like nintendo because it was the first console my family had. I have fond memories of playing pokemon, ace attorney, Inazuma 11 and countless other fun and clever games. I mean would sony or microsoft release a game like elite beat agents? Games are meant to be fun. My uni has a ps3 and I will play on it as I am such a big fan of Dead or Alive 5 ( thanks to Dead or Alive Dimensions) and it isn't released on an nintendo console. Apart from my fighting games I will generally play on an nintendo console. I like games with good stories that can make you laugh one moment and then cry the next. Nintendo is good because we can be whimsy.

  57. Casplen Sunday 24th Feb 2013 at 08:25

    we are just expressing our genuine joy that no other company except Nintendo can give us from there games

    Welp.

  58. TheNUKEnukeM Sunday 24th Feb 2013 at 09:02

    So in this argument you said you never brought a ps3 or xbox because the games that make the headlines are guys with guns. :P
    This kinda just shows that you are not willing to try new things or explore a consoles library. I have an xbox and although I enjoy playing first person shooters on occasion, I have more games where you have to explore and interact with different characters. And I hate to show off on a Nintendo forum, but some of these games you just couldn't get on a wii.

  59. King-X Sunday 24th Feb 2013 at 09:05

    That's pretty much my own take on Nintendo as well. They don't do everything best (for instance; graphical capabilities, online service, the issue of playing import titles, etc) but the bottom line with any console is what games it has to offer and Nintendo feels a lot cleaner.

    Now I'm quite happy to have a PS4 to supplement my taste for those few games that are clean but never reach a Nintendo console (right now I'm playing Ni No Kuni on PS3) but the overall vision of playing realistic, gory games isn't what I'd call the way to go. If I want a "real" experience I know where the front door is!

  60. theguygamer Sunday 24th Feb 2013 at 09:05

    With me, it's simply because Playstation and Xbox didn't exist when I became a fan. When I chose Nintendo over Sega back in the 90s I pretty much haven't looked back since. You just can't get the consistently good variety of experiences outside of Nintendo consoles (and I have tried), franchises like Fire Emblem, Mario, and Zelda just have a constant stream of good games whereas a lot of franchises elsewhere will release a terrible title into the series because they know it will sell.

  61. Casplen Sunday 24th Feb 2013 at 10:42

    With me, it's simply because Playstation and Xbox didn't exist when I became a fan.

    But that doesn't make sense. So when they did come along, it meant that you couldn't be a fan of them because you'd already pledged such utter loyalty to Nintendo?

    You just can't get the consistently good variety of experiences outside of Nintendo consoles (and I have tried)

    See Kess and Masa's list for more information on why you haven't tried hard enough.

    franchises like Fire Emblem, Mario, and Zelda constant stream of good games whereas a lot of franchises elsewhere will release a terrible title into the series because they know it will sell.

    EVERY OTHER COMPANY JUST WANT MONEY. NO. NOT NINTENDO. THEY CARE.

    With this statement you paint all other game developers as thoughtless and money-grabbing, and that Nintendo is the only one that cares about it's products. Many other franchises have a constant stream of good games- these are not exclusive to Nintendo. And even then, most franchises have a weak link along the way (Yes, even Nintendo franchises), but the developers don't necessarily say "hey, this game is terrible- let's release it anyway because it'll sell".

  62. K-tet Sunday 24th Feb 2013 at 12:19

    Casplen, what's the issue here? Isn't this thread based on why we're Nintendo fans? That means we're talking about first-party IPs rather than third-party support, of which both Sony and Microsoft have more of. Indeed, both Sony and Microsoft have their own first-party titles, some of which are really good, but none of that really matters if we're simply stating why we are Nintendo fans.

    The whole point of this thread is to say why you are a Nintendo fan, not lay into those for whom the reasons can be considered shallow because they haven't acknowledged or played the variety of games available on other systems. Whether it's a debate or not, bashing others for even the 'weakest' of opinions, they're still opinions. If you don't like what you're reading, rather than feeling obliged to correct or justify why such an opinion is wrong, just accept it and move on. Not everyone is going to agree with everyone else, but as long as it's their opinion, while you may see it as being wrong, it's only wrong to you. For them, it's a perfectly valid opinion.

  63. Kesskuron Sunday 24th Feb 2013 at 13:29

    Actually, criticising opinions is a perfectly valid thing to do, especially when they're unsubstantiated ones. Opinions aren't bulletproof or infallible; believe it or not they can be deeply ignorant, misinformed, stupid and sometimes just outright wrong. Just because it's an opinion doesn't mean it's automatically valid.

    Stating why you're a Nintendo fan is fine, but that doesn't mean that dismissing the entire libraries of the PS3, 360 or PC is fine simply because you're a Nintendo fan; not even acknowledging them for that reason is even worse. It's doing yourself a disservice as a gamer for one thing; if you consider yourself a fan of games at all then by swearing fealty to Nintendo alone is cutting off a huge plethora of games that you'll never have access to and would probably love. The same goes for people who have aligned themselves solely with Microsoft or Sony; they're actively cutting off games they'd like for some arbitrary loyalty to a company, which is a stupid thing to do for stupid reasons. To have looked at the libraries for the other platforms properly and decided that there's nothing there for you is fine; but to have skimmed over it or not looked in any depth at all and then dismissed them is stupid. To then form a generalized and incorrect opinion of those libraries based on lacking research is even stupider, and it's what multiple people seem to be doing in this thread.

    Nobody in this thread would swear loyalty to one film studio or one record label or one food manufacturer, so why the hell would you do it with games?

  64. abovethewell Sunday 24th Feb 2013 at 14:00

    I love Nintendo, but the hate between consoles is rather unfounded. I must admit that Halo 4 is very fun with friends and games such as Final Fantasy XIII etc are brilliant, not to mention Kingdom Hearts and Devil May Cry. That said, Metroid and Zelda and Pokemon are my first loves.

  65. K-tet Sunday 24th Feb 2013 at 14:04

    Actually, criticising opinions is a perfectly valid thing to do, especially when they're unsubstantiated ones. Opinions aren't bulletproof or infallible; believe it or not they can be deeply ignorant, misinformed, stupid and sometimes just outright wrong. Just because it's an opinion doesn't mean it's automatically valid.


    I am a fair kind of guy, and I do not disagree. But, there's being civil and constructive in one's criticism, and then there's being a dick about it. Furthermore to your point, an opinion is an opinion; it is neither valid nor invalid, but as long as it is to your belief, then it's as valid to you as it is to the person who imparts it. Opinions are made to be challenged yes, but again, there's a difference between being civil and being a dick about it. Sometimes it's a finer line than most.

    Stating why you're a Nintendo fan is fine, but that doesn't mean that dismissing the entire libraries of the PS3, 360 or PC is fine simply because you're a Nintendo fan; not even acknowledging them for that reason is even worse.


    Again, this is a 'Why are you a Nintendo fan?' thread. The main focus is on Nintendo IP, not those of other companies. There is nothing wrong with imparting an opinion contrary to acknowledgement of other games on other systems because it's a Nintendo thread with a specific topic, though arguably if this were a general gaming thread or a discussion whereby you're asked why you prefer Nintendo hardware over the others, have at it (because then such claims can be seen as baseless and ludicrous, debate to your hearts content). This is not really the thread to be persnickety over such nuances. It's not doing a massive disservice to the person who's imparting their opinion as a gamer if they're just concentrating on Nintendo IP in a thread where the topic is 'Why are you a Nintendo fan?'. As others have stated, there are games on other systems that are excellent in their own way, but Nintendo IP offer a positive that they enjoy. If people only had exposure to Nintendo hardware because to them it's most affordable, and they don't have the funds to buy other hardware, then that's hardly their fault. Such an opinion made in that regard can be challenged by others, but to them, they couldn't say any which way, thus would only have to take your word for it. Nintendo support their own hardware more than Sony or Microsoft do because they have a lot less third-party support than the others do. There are good third-party games that are brilliant but not all of them make it to Nintendo hardware, whereas some were released on Nintendo hardware originally in Japan but we end up receiving a localised port with additional content on another system (e.g. Tales of Graces on Wii, with f on PS3). Feel free to correct me, but the current trend is that gamers buy Nintendo hardware for Nintendo software, because you can't get that Nintendo experience on other systems (and no, emulation doesn't count). There are many people that bought a Wii to compliment their 360 or PS3 because of that Nintendo experience. Dare I say the trend will continue with the Wii U and PS4/Nextbox.

    While I do agree that swearing blind as a fanboy/girl does cut you off from some excellent games, this thread again is asking why you are a Nintendo fan. The same rules would apply if the thread was asking why you are a Sony fan or a Microsoft fan.

    That'll be all from me.

  66. Casplen Sunday 24th Feb 2013 at 18:31

    Yes, that'd be lovely if it wasn't just a "why are you a Nintendo fan?" topic. While the title would allude to that, the context of the article (And posts I'm replying to) more point to "why are you a Nintendo fan, and not a PS360 fan?". In which case, I think for the purposes of discussion and debate I should be allowed to criticise poorly formed opinions on the matter. It's ridiculous to say "NO IT'S MY OPINION YOU CAN'T SAY ANYTHING BECAUSE IT'S AN OPINION GO AWAY", and if you want a reason why this is the case, see my first post in this thread. Oh and for the record:

    Perfectly valid opinion to the individual =/= Perfectly valid opinion to everyone

    In addition to this, I'm not trying to be a dick about it. If that really is the case and my behaviour isn't in particularly good taste, then I can only apologise, but it's not like I'm insulting anyone here (I at least hope I haven't said anything out of line anywhere)- it's just a debate about gaming, so if you're offended by someone challenging your opinion in an aggressive manner or not, you shouldn't take things like that to heart.

  67. TenTen Sunday 24th Feb 2013 at 19:45

    I am Nintendo fan because i enjoy their game's.


    Thank you!
    It's the reason why I'm a Nintendo fan
    It's the reason why I'm a Sony fan
    If I had a Xbox, it'd probably be the reason why I'd be a Microsoft fan
    If a company constantly releases bad games, they probably wouldn't be in the industry for very long.
    Every console has great unique games, hence why the 'big 3' are still in the industry

  68. masamune Sunday 24th Feb 2013 at 20:16

    opinion

    that's an opinion you can't challenge it

    waahh wahh what are you doing stop being so mean )))):

    OPINION OPINION

    b-b-b-b-bbut it isn't relevant to the topic!!!!!!!!!!!!

    OPINION

    grow up (not that i just committed a dozen logical fallacies or anything)

    notice that this thread is attached to an article, an article that shows evidence of being biased and badly researched, and posts have been made in response to those issues.

    people have made comments that were stupid and people responded with a relevant argument

    this is called a discussion, it is a good thing because it encourages people to back up and reason their opinion, scrutinise the opinions of others, and perhaps even come away with greater clarity on the issues and a stronger opinion

    the thing you are suggest we try ignoring the ignorant and silly comments and engage in a circlejerk, which is very bad as it enforces prejudices and baseless claims and entrenches opinions that are in need of questioning (one must always question one's opinions, sorry, they're not protected by a magical barrier or anything)

  69. Namine2593 Sunday 24th Feb 2013 at 20:35

    Animal Crossing
    Kingdom Hearts 3D
    Professor Layton
    Okami/Okamiden
    Zelda
    Mario Kart
    Nintendogs
    The World Ends With You

    ^^ This is why I am a Nintendo fan

  70. dap005 Sunday 24th Feb 2013 at 22:09

    opinion

    that's an opinion you can't challenge it

    waahh wahh what are you doing stop being so mean )))):

    OPINION OPINION

    b-b-b-b-bbut it isn't relevant to the topic!!!!!!!!!!!!

    OPINION

    grow up (not that i just committed a dozen logical fallacies or anything)

    notice that this thread is attached to an article, an article that shows evidence of being biased and badly researched, and posts have been made in response to those issues.

    people have made comments that were stupid and people responded with a relevant argument

    this is called a discussion, it is a good thing because it encourages people to back up and reason their opinion, scrutinise the opinions of others, and perhaps even come away with greater clarity on the issues and a stronger opinion

    the thing you are suggest we try ignoring the ignorant and silly comments and engage in a circlejerk, which is very bad as it enforces prejudices and baseless claims and entrenches opinions that are in need of questioning (one must always question one's opinions, sorry, they're not protected by a magical barrier or anything)

    I think k-tet was just trying to be civil and encourage others to do so rather than oppressing anyone with an opinion :P. I do agree that not scrutinising each other's opinions would just mean people end up being even more ignorant. Reading the discussions on this thread really did make me see that there's a lot of passion for games/platforms other than Nintendo and hopefully those who've never delved into what other consoles can offer (which is plenty) can start branching out a bit after reading this thread.

  71. Paquito19962 Monday 25th Feb 2013 at 04:47

    I love Nintendo because they love me, they love the art of making videogames. They absolutely love it.

    No other company love the art of make videogames at the level Nintendo always does.

  72. tomonm Monday 25th Feb 2013 at 08:51

    Why am I a Nintendo fan? Because of the games I can only play on Nintendo formats.

    Why do I own a 360? Because of the games I can only play on that.

    Why do I own all Sony formats? Because of the games I can only play on them.

    The "exclusives" argument is a non-starter, because every system gets great exclusive games over its lifetime, and if you're not stupid enough to make childish assumptions and sweep them under the rug, you can find amazing experiences no matter what you buy.

    Ultimately, I'm a fan of gaming, which means I don't proclaim allegiance to any individual company, because doing so is close-minded, and moronic.

    Proclaiming alleigance to a company isn't close-minded and moronic if you can't afford to buy more than one console. If you can afford to buy a 360, PS3, Wii U, 3DS and Vita, you're a lucky guy as you'll be able to enjoy all the exclusive games on every format. However, if you don't have a spare £1,000 to spend on consoles (more for games to play on them all) you have to make a choice. Chris chose Nintendo.

  73. King Slazo Monday 25th Feb 2013 at 11:04

    Proclaiming alleigance to a company isn't close-minded and moronic if you can't afford to buy more than one console. If you can afford to buy a 360, PS3, Wii U, 3DS and Vita, you're a lucky guy as you'll be able to enjoy all the exclusive games on every format. However, if you don't have a spare £1,000 to spend on consoles (more for games to play on them all) you have to make a choice. Chris chose Nintendo.

    I can appreciate that plenty of people aren't going to be able to afford every console, my problem isn't with that. If you have to make a choice of one system per gen, that's fine, as long as you acknowledge that there's still great stuff to be had on the other systems.

    But that's not what most people here are saying. Because games like CoD and Halo happen to be popular, suddenly a ridiculous amount of people here, including Mr Rooke, seem to think that means every game on the PS3 or 360 is a genri-FPS. Its a mindset of because you bought x console, it must be the best, and as such will look for any way to trivialise the other systems.

    You of all people Tom, as a gaming journalist, should know that's utter crap. Kess and masa listed off a ton of brilliant games that aren't FPSs that you won't find on Nintendo systems.

    To summarise, I'll echo what another great ONMer, OrangeRakoon, said...

    I love Nintendo, and am a Nintendo fan. But my reasoning for that is because I love a lot of Nintendo games, not because I've only ever played Nintendo games and don't know anything about other consoles so just assume they don't have games that I will like on them, which is completely false.

  74. tomonm Monday 25th Feb 2013 at 14:28

    Proclaiming alleigance to a company isn't close-minded and moronic if you can't afford to buy more than one console. If you can afford to buy a 360, PS3, Wii U, 3DS and Vita, you're a lucky guy as you'll be able to enjoy all the exclusive games on every format. However, if you don't have a spare £1,000 to spend on consoles (more for games to play on them all) you have to make a choice. Chris chose Nintendo.

    I can appreciate that plenty of people aren't going to be able to afford every console, my problem isn't with that. If you have to make a choice of one system per gen, that's fine, as long as you acknowledge that there's still great stuff to be had on the other systems.

    But that's not what most people here are saying. Because games like CoD and Halo happen to be popular, suddenly a ridiculous amount of people here, including Mr Rooke, seem to think that means every game on the PS3 or 360 is a genri-FPS. Its a mindset of because you bought x console, it must be the best, and as such will look for any way to trivialise the other systems.

    You of all people Tom, as a gaming journalist, should know that's utter crap. Kess and masa listed off a ton of brilliant games that aren't FPSs that you won't find on Nintendo systems.

    To summarise, I'll echo what another great ONMer, OrangeRakoon, said...

    I love Nintendo, and am a Nintendo fan. But my reasoning for that is because I love a lot of Nintendo games, not because I've only ever played Nintendo games and don't know anything about other consoles so just assume they don't have games that I will like on them, which is completely false.

    I must admit that I haven't read all the comments. Yours just seemed a bit harsh and jumped out at me.

    To be fair to Chris, he did acknowledge that there were other types of games on consoles. The sort of fantasy games that he likes.

    He says: "I'm sure these sorts of games are available on other consoles but most of the biggest games on other platforms (or, at least, the ones that generate the most headlines and magazine front covers) involve men with guns."

    That is true. My friends at Official Xbox Magazine will admit that man with gun sells!

    It comes down to perception. The perception of Wii and DS was that they were consoles just for casual gamers and kids because the biggest games were Mario, Nintendogs, Brain Training etc.

    Yet Wii had Madworld, Scarface, Manhunt 2 etc. DS had Grand Theft Auto: Chinatown Wars which involved drug dealing. Just so happens that these weren't the biggest games. Call Of Duty, Battlefield etc are the biggest games on Xbox 360 so the perception is that you'll find more adult rated games and less kiddy stuff on Microsoft's console.

  75. dap005 Monday 25th Feb 2013 at 17:27

    Very true Tom, perception does affect the views people have towards consoles and brands in general. In a way this is companies trying to target specific audiences but it really hurts gaming's image as something diverse and varied. Clearly is not just non-gamers that has this perception but even some gamers do as well. Plus if anything the low sales Xbox 360's sales in Japan goes to show what damage this kind of perception can do.
    I'd love to see all kinds of games (especially the niche and hidden gems) get the same kind of publicity, coverage and magazine cover space but that's unlikely going to happen, so we just have to do our best to write and recommend them through articles, blog, forums etc.

  76. Casplen Monday 25th Feb 2013 at 18:22

    I don't actually fully understand the relevance of referencing how people perceive games consoles. So, people think it's just FPSes on PS360, and that would be an incorrect assumption (As already stated), therefore many valid comments against their opinions are still just as valid.

    Or have I just completely missed the point?

  77. liveswired Monday 25th Feb 2013 at 22:43

    Casplen, what's the issue here? Isn't this thread based on why we're Nintendo fans? That means we're talking about first-party IPs rather than third-party support, of which both Sony and Microsoft have more of. Indeed, both Sony and Microsoft have their own first-party titles, some of which are really good, but none of that really matters if we're simply stating why we are Nintendo fans.

    The whole point of this thread is to say why you are a Nintendo fan, not lay into those for whom the reasons can be considered shallow because they haven't acknowledged or played the variety of games available on other systems. Whether it's a debate or not, bashing others for even the 'weakest' of opinions, they're still opinions. If you don't like what you're reading, rather than feeling obliged to correct or justify why such an opinion is wrong, just accept it and move on. Not everyone is going to agree with everyone else, but as long as it's their opinion, while you may see it as being wrong, it's only wrong to you. For them, it's a perfectly valid opinion.


    Forums are a place for debate and let your thoughts and feelings known. Is that not the point of critical analysis?

    Imagine if reviewers told us every game was perfect in order to spare the feelings of their designers? :)

  78. VaatiKaiba Tuesday 26th Feb 2013 at 00:52

    Hi guys, this is Chris - the guy who wrote this blog. I'm responding in this way as some people have been behaving pretty horrendously and treating me (and other commenters) pretty awfully in response to this blog. I want to address some of the personal attacks that have been made against me and others, and then make a few remarks about why you don't get to make those remarks in the first place.

    And I'm pretty sure they only showed 2 FPS' during the PS4 announcements; Killzone and Destiny. Did you completely ignore Knack, The Witness, Driveclub, Deep Down etc?

    of freaking course Sony going to show numerous first-person shooters and bloody, action-oriented titles because they know that there is a really big audience for those games on their consoles, but didn't you see the other games that weren't that? like Knack, Drive Club, and that one by the guy who did Braid? the only FPS' they even showed were Killzone and apparently Destiny (i got bored before it was shown)

    No, I didnít ignore the other games - Knack looked pretty cool to me. It does, however, speak volumes to me when a huge amount of focus is placed upon FPSes at a press conference, rather than new control schemes or showing exactly what the new console is capable of, other than graphics.

    WAHAHAHAHAH oh wow

    before i start, i like nintendo games because i like good games and nintendo have made and play host to numerous good games


    Firstly, the game that started me gaming was Pokemon. I received a Game Boy Color and a copy of Pokemon Yellow for my seventh birthday, and since then I've been hooked on Nintendo handheld consoles.


    this is a poor justification, basically you're saying that you started with nintendo and therefore you don't want to play anything different

    No, I got into gaming because of a fantastical game, not because of a shooter or violent game. Itís just an example of how a preference and view of gaming may have been formed.

    I'm sure these sorts of games are available on other consoles but most of the biggest games on other platforms (or, at least, the ones that generate the most headlines and magazine front covers) involve men with guns.

    I was acutely aware of this during the PS4 launch event this week. I was watching, and instead of finding myself excited, or even curious, about the new console, I found myself getting intensely bored.

    It felt like they were showing one first-person shooter after another, with very little difference in the core gameplay and game style. To me, that's what makes Nintendo different: while those games can and have been made on Nintendo consoles, the Wii and DS are home to a great deal of really original, fantasy, and fun content. The sort of games that put a smile on your face. I'm thinking Ace Attorney, Mario Galaxy and Animal Crossing.

    this argument is (literally) years old and has never really held any validity. yes, the biggest and most popular genre at the moment is the first-person shooter, so it's natural that a large number of them are going to be produced. it was exactly the same for platformers 20 years ago, for shmups 30 years ago.

    but just because there are a lot of fps' on the PS3 and 360, don't you dare dismiss them as having no worthwhile games that appeal to you. you freely say that "I'm sure that these sorts of games are available on other consoles", which betrays the fact that you haven't actually done your research as you are clearly not confident in your claim, and it is simply a weak attempt to inject some semblance of balance to your wildly skewed and unbalanced argument.

    This is a completely ridiculous article which just highlights the author's lack of knowledge, experience and appreciation of the industry as a whole. See points made above my Kess and King Slazo.

    So in this argument you said you never brought a ps3 or xbox because the games that make the headlines are guys with guns.
    This kinda just shows that you are not willing to try new things or explore a consoles library. I have an xbox and although I enjoy playing first person shooters on occasion, I have more games where you have to explore and interact with different characters. And I hate to show off on a Nintendo forum, but some of these games you just couldn't get on a wii.

    notice that this thread is attached to an article, an article that shows evidence of being biased and badly researched, and posts have been made in response to those issues.

    Of course I know there are other games on consoles - Iím a gaming fan and I follow closely what is going on on other platforms, even if I donít own those platforms myself. How dare you suggest how much I know about gaming - Iím really curious to know how you guys have gained the ability to tell how much I know about or follow the gaming industry from behind your computer screens. And in terms of balance, I donít think I need to inject balance into an argument if I believe it to be realistic - and if I do inject balance, itís for good reason.

    if you want great games that aren't FPS' and are very enjoyable and occasionally very inventive, just look at Kess' list, plus a few other games: Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, any Metal Gear, Vanquish, DoDonPachi Resurrection, DeathSmiles, Blue Dragon, Demon's Souls, Dark Souls, El Shaddai, Eternal Sonata, 3D Dot Game Heroes, etcetera etcetera. if you actually bothered to look you'd find a large number of games that you're interested in, i guarantee it

    I know, unsurprisingly better than most, what games I like. I know there are games on other consoles that I would like - heck, if you follow me on Twitter youíd know Iíve been searching for a cheap PS3 recently purely so I can play Ni no Kuni. Suggesting I havenít Ďbothered to lookí is plain rude, untrue, and an assertion with which you have no evidence to back up.

    I do like a shooter with a story though. Most shooters just give you the online multiplayer and say:
    "Well why dont you play for endless hours unlocking cool new stuff as you go with other people who are doing the same thing"
    There is no real final goal to multiplayer as you want to unlock the next thing, then the next, the next.I find no joy in repetition. I wish all shooters were like Half Life 2 and developers worked on the plot not the graphics and the violence. I feel that multiplayer is an "easy way out" for developers.

    well done in managing to be anti-social and autistic. i mean, i don't play games online very much either, but do you just not know how to play games with other people? multiplayer isn't about unlocking everything and doing the same mission over, it's about having fun with other people, i mean good god is it that hard to understand

    Calling someone out for being anti-social is not ok - calling someone autistic when they might not be is incredibly insulting both to this guy / girl, and to people who have autism. Youíre gonna use a medical condition to slight people? Well done you, I bet you feel like a real big guy right now.

    All the PS4/XBOX 720 needs is a bland and repetitive shooter to become an instant success. I hate most of the FPS genre but I do have exceptions (Goldeneye 64 and TF2, because they are something the FPS aren't capable of being, fun). Most PS360 games are dark, violent and have realistic blood in them.

    someone hasn't played TimeSplitters, Halo, or Doom. and that last remark is a very crass generalisation to make, it's like saying that most Nintendo games are light and fluffy kiddy crap

    But maybe that is Pyronís opinion!! Maybe he / she does feel that Nintendo games are light and fluffy and kiddy - who cares?? Does it make their opinion less valid? No, it might make their argument less valid, but their opinion isnít.

    Oh look, the opinion card. Please understand that poorly formed and supported opinions can indeed be wrong. Just because it's your opinion, it doesn't mean it's exempt from scrutinisation or people saying that it's incorrect.

    No, the "opinion card" is valid. Because everyoneís opinion is valid, no matter how misinformed. Their arguments, however, can be weak, or proven to be wrong, and showing why their argument is wrong can change their opinion. There is a difference between an argument and an opinion: one can be challenged and proved to be wrong, the other canít.


    OK - fine. A lot of Nintendo games outside of Mario offer this, but you clearly know NOTHING about some of the amazing series on the other consoles. Lots of games in the lists Kesskuron and masamune posted are great examples of these, some much more so than Nintendo. Its fine to say that Nintendo games have good stories, but don't phrase it in a way to knock games on other platforms when a lot of them are vastly superior in this aspect.

    But that's not what most people here are saying. Because games like CoD and Halo happen to be popular, suddenly a ridiculous amount of people here, including Mr Rooke, seem to think that means every game on the PS3 or 360 is a genri-FPS. Its a mindset of because you bought x console, it must be the best, and as such will look for any way to trivialise the other systems.

    This notion that I think all games on other platforms are generic, plotless FPSes - that assertion is simply crazy and one that has been propagated purely by this thread of comments. There are frequently games that come out on other systems that Iím tempted by, and if anyone spent even a minute thinking about it (or reading my tweets), theyíd quickly come to the realisation that I am in fact aware of games on other platforms, that I know a decent amount about them, and am totally aware of the nature of these games. However, I do think there are a relatively large number of FPSes on other platforms, and itís sometimes difficult to distinguish between them.


    I want to take this opportunity to point out that calling me an idiot, or lambasting me for certain views I hold is totally out of order. You wouldnít do it to me in person, so why you think you get to do it behind your semi-anonymous usernames on the internet is beyond me. Attack my arguments all you like: thatís what creates a good debate. But attacking me, or indeed anyone who publishes work online, is tantamount to harassment and bullying. If I failed to get what I really think across in the blog, then Iím really sorry. But rather than have a go at me for it, why not ask a question that I could respond to, or present an argument to back up your opinion instead? Surely thatís infinitely more constructive? Anyone who gave it two seconds of thought would probably realise that it was incredibly unlikely that I was suggesting that all other platforms are rubbish. Itís just common sense and decency.

    The ONM community is generally a nice place to be around, but instances like this are really disgusting for the people on the receiving end, and gives the community a bad name. Common sense and decency. Some of you guys need to think about it a bit more next time.

  79. K-tet Tuesday 26th Feb 2013 at 01:07

    Perfectly justifiable and a perfectly fine response Chris. See, this is what I meant in my comments. Keep it real, keep it on the level, but don't be a dick about it. Unfortunately, there are a small handful of people that have been exactly that, lest my opinion only, but maybe to others too. You're entitled to your opinion, and it's as valid to you as it is to those it applies to. If people don't agree with your opinion, they can challenge it, but only as long as it's civil and in good taste. There is a fine line between being civil and constructive, and being a dick about it.

    As for the Autistic comment... yeah... that's a new low. I myself suffer from a variant of Autism, but even I wouldn't stoop to that kind of a low.

    Common sense and decency should be condoned at all times. We're all allowed to impart our own opinions, but should do so only in a civil way. Any untoward behaviour (e.g. baseless attacks, the autism comment etc) brings the forum into disrepute, if I'm honest, and I tend to stay on the fence.

  80. Casplen Tuesday 26th Feb 2013 at 07:34

    Oh look, the opinion card. Please understand that poorly formed and supported opinions can indeed be wrong. Just because it's your opinion, it doesn't mean it's exempt from scrutinisation or people saying that it's incorrect.

    No, the "opinion card" is valid. Because everyoneís opinion is valid, no matter how misinformed. Their arguments, however, can be weak, or proven to be wrong, and showing why their argument is wrong can change their opinion. There is a difference between an argument and an opinion: one can be challenged and proved to be wrong, the other canít.

    You have to ask then, if the argument supporting the opinion is wrong, then what is the opinion? By definition, a valid opinion would refer to an opinion that supports the intended claim- so does an opinion that is not properly formed by their own reasoning create an invalid opinion?

    Either way, I probably poorly worded my argument with the word "wrong". That wasn't the point I was trying to make anyway- the point I was trying to make was that no argument is free from scrutinisation just because it's one's opinion, which is why I drew attention to the previous commenter's use of "the opinion card".

    I will read through the rest of your reply later when I have time.

  81. MatthewONM Tuesday 26th Feb 2013 at 09:00

    You have to ask then, if the argument supporting the opinion is wrong, then what is the opinion? By definition, a valid opinion would refer to an opinion that supports the intended claim- so does an opinion that is not properly formed by their own reasoning create an invalid opinion?


    Jeez, it's like dealing with the Riddler.

  82. K-tet Tuesday 26th Feb 2013 at 09:19

    You have to ask then, if the argument supporting the opinion is wrong, then what is the opinion?


    It's still an opinion, and everyone has the right to impart with one. Likewise, anyone may challenge the opinion but only in a civil way, and no-one has any right whatsoever to rubbish an opinion, or be a dick about it when challenging an opinion. That constitutes to victimisation and outright bullying, and as such has NO place on these forums whatsoever.

    I'll say this without fear of reprimand, but given the behaviour of some people in this thread, if I were a moderator, I'd pull those people over and give them warnings for such misconduct and poor behaviour. What should be a debate as to why we're Nintendo fans shouldn't be sullied with such poor form from people who pick up on certain opinions just because they don't agree with them, and then be a complete dick about it in picking it apart without being civil (including any inappropriate comments made in such responses). Such behaviour brings the community into disrepute.

    Take note, I'm not discouraging people to make their own opinions and challenge opinions in a civil way (as already previously stated), but once you start being a dick about it, that's when it becomes out of order.

  83. PutUsernameHere Tuesday 26th Feb 2013 at 15:21

    I'll say this without fear of reprimand, but given the behaviour of some people in this thread, if I were a moderator, I'd pull those people over and give them warnings for such misconduct and poor behaviour.

    this is why you're not a moderator


    It's still an opinion, and everyone has the right to impart with one. Likewise, anyone may challenge the opinion but only in a civil way, and no-one has any right whatsoever to rubbish an opinion, or be a dick about it when challenging an opinion. That constitutes to victimisation and outright bullying, and as such has NO place on these forums whatsoever.

    that's just your opinion though

  84. Cribster Tuesday 26th Feb 2013 at 15:23

    Of course I know there are other games on consoles - Iím a gaming fan and I follow closely what is going on on other platforms, even if I donít own those platforms myself. How dare you suggest how much I know about gaming - Iím really curious to know how you guys have gained the ability to tell how much I know about or follow the gaming industry from behind your computer screens. And in terms of balance, I donít think I need to inject balance into an argument if I believe it to be realistic - and if I do inject balance, itís for good reason.


    I'm the first to admit that I don't have a hugely wide breadth of gaming experience outside of Nintendo. In fact, aside from a few PC games, I have very little experience of games not on Nintendo consoles.

    Please, there's only one person who looks like a fool here.

  85. Casplen Tuesday 26th Feb 2013 at 15:25

    You have to ask then, if the argument supporting the opinion is wrong, then what is the opinion?


    It's still an opinion, and everyone has the right to impart with one. Likewise, anyone may challenge the opinion but only in a civil way, and no-one has any right whatsoever to rubbish an opinion, or be a dick about it when challenging an opinion. That constitutes to victimisation and outright bullying, and as such has NO place on these forums whatsoever.

    I didn't actually say anywhere that some don't have the right to impart with an opinion, and I didn't say anywhere that being a dick was permitted either. That would be ridiculous. All along I've just been saying that arguments supporting opinions can be challenged and can be invalid, and completely agree with the majority of this post. Please note that no posts of mine exclusively reference other member's and what they have said which may be considered out of line.

    You have to ask then, if the argument supporting the opinion is wrong, then what is the opinion? By definition, a valid opinion would refer to an opinion that supports the intended claim- so does an opinion that is not properly formed by their own reasoning create an invalid opinion?


    Jeez, it's like dealing with the Riddler.

    TIL: Matthew is actually Batman.

  86. LFF Tuesday 26th Feb 2013 at 15:39

    The article seems to be a little ignorant regarding other consoles and their respective games. Sony and Microsoft haven't exactly manufactured the Filthbox or the Misogynystation; whilst there are more violent and FPS type games on these systems (the Xbox and Playstation of course - not the Filthbox) to make the generalisation that these other consoles don't have other sorts of games is absurd.


    The argument that said games consoles exclusively deal with ultra-violence and twitch shooters is short-sighted and frankly insulting to someone who enjoys games from a variety of sources.

  87. regginator3 Tuesday 26th Feb 2013 at 15:59

    Proclaiming alleigance to a company isn't close-minded and moronic if you can't afford to buy more than one console. If you can afford to buy a 360, PS3, Wii U, 3DS and Vita, you're a lucky guy as you'll be able to enjoy all the exclusive games on every format. However, if you don't have a spare £1,000 to spend on consoles (more for games to play on them all) you have to make a choice. Chris chose Nintendo.


    Well, actually yes it is. You're wrong.

    You don't need to just "pick one company and stick with it forever"! What a silly opinion. Just because you bought the N64 doesn't mean you can't check out the PS2 in gen 6 and Xbox 360 in gen 7. You're basically arguing that if you don't have the money it's better to just pick one company and continue buying that company's consoles each generation (which yes, is close-minded and idiotic, no matter what you say) instead of, you know, branching out and doing research on upcoming/released games on each console and then choosing that one.

    You wouldn't be close-minded and idiotic even if you only bought Nintendo consoles if each generation you checked what was going to be released for each console and what features each console offered and then came to an informed decision about which console to buy and it happened to be Nintendo each time, that's fine. But if you just "PICKED NINTENDO FROM MY FIRST CONSOLE" and then heard WHOA A NEW NINTENDO CONSOLE IS COMING OUT, IM TOTALLY BUYING THAT! and ignored all the other competitors simply because "I CHOSE NINTENDO OK", yes, that is completely idiotic and close-minded and people like that should be called out as such. And that's basically the mindset you're defending in that argument, which is ridiculous

    But what do you know, you thought GROUDON LOOKS GREAT IN HD on that Pokemon Rumble Wii U game, so...

    (also, @VaatiKaiba as someone who has a sister who is autistic I and her am not offended in the slightest by Masa's comment, since autistic has come to mean more than the medical diagnosis and is now slang on the internet. That's okay, language and usage of language evolves)

  88. Guwuh Tuesday 26th Feb 2013 at 16:20

    No, the "opinion card" is valid. Because everyoneís opinion is valid, no matter how misinformed.


    not if you want to inspire and partake in any semblance of a debate it's not.

  89. masamune Tuesday 26th Feb 2013 at 16:52

    It does, however, speak volumes to me when a huge amount of focus is placed upon FPSes at a press conference, rather than new control schemes or showing exactly what the new console is capable of, other than graphics.

    but there wasn't a massive amount of focus placed on FPS'.

    this is a poor justification, basically you're saying that you started with nintendo and therefore you don't want to play anything different

    No, I got into gaming because of a fantastical game, not because of a shooter or violent game. Itís just an example of how a preference and view of gaming may have been formed.

    you've not actually refuted my point or anything. you've just said you started with a certain game style; does that mean you don't want to play any other style? the earliest games i played were the standard cartoony titles like Sonic, Mario, Pokťmon, and whilst i would still say i prefer that style of game, i'm now also happy to play violent shooting games such as Call of Duty or Halo, which i would never have touched when i was in my 12 year old fanboy throes. it's fine if you don't want to play a violent game, that's cool, but to me you're just giving me the impression that you haven't actually given it much of a chance and that's really irritating me

    Of course I know there are other games on consoles - Iím a gaming fan and I follow closely what is going on on other platforms, even if I donít own those platforms myself. How dare you suggest how much I know about gaming - Iím really curious to know how you guys have gained the ability to tell how much I know about or follow the gaming industry from behind your computer screens. And in terms of balance, I donít think I need to inject balance into an argument if I believe it to be realistic - and if I do inject balance, itís for good reason.


    I know, unsurprisingly better than most, what games I like. I know there are games on other consoles that I would like - heck, if you follow me on Twitter youíd know Iíve been searching for a cheap PS3 recently purely so I can play Ni no Kuni. Suggesting I havenít Ďbothered to lookí is plain rude, untrue, and an assertion with which you have no evidence to back up.


    well the thing is, your article doesn't seem to display this knowledge you have. "I have very little experience of games not on Nintendo consoles" strongly indicates that you actually have no idea what you're talking about - it's an easy impression to come away with. Then, after mentioning the PS4 and Nextbox, you say "To me, games with huge amounts of realistic violence or bloody scenarios simply aren't fun ", which in that context suggests that you think Sony and Microsoft seem to host only these kinds of games. When you then go on to say "I'm sure these sorts of games are available on other consoles" it gives on an air of uncertainty - 'I'm sure' has come to mean a logical assumption, but if you know that these games exist on other console, why not say so? Why not name drop Ni no Kuni or whatever you're interested in? You give off the impression that you don't know what you're talking about. "It felt like they were showing one first-person shooter after another" really illustrates this, given that the conference showed, as mentioned, at most 2 FPS'. It's this kind of blatant misinformation that really makes it difficult to take you seriously, never mind that you go on to heavily suggest that Nintendo is the only place you're going to get fun and lighthearted joviality.

    I'm not going to defend the fact I engaged in massive amounts of hyperbole and strawmanning, but your article was so unbalanced that it was difficult to ignore.

    Calling someone out for being anti-social is not ok - calling someone autistic when they might not be is incredibly insulting both to this guy / girl, and to people who have autism. Youíre gonna use a medical condition to slight people? Well done you, I bet you feel like a real big guy right now.

    damn right i feel like a big man, i mean, calling people on the internet autistic is totally how i get my kicks.

    But maybe that is Pyronís opinion!! Maybe he / she does feel that Nintendo games are light and fluffy and kiddy - who cares?? Does it make their opinion less valid? No, it might make their argument less valid, but their opinion isnít.

    my comment about Halo etc. was meant to be lighthearted if that wasn't clear, sorry. and good god, would you stop people stop talking as if opinions are some magical concept that cannot be attacked and is invulnerable to all forms of criticism. just because someone has an opinion on something doesn't mean that that opinion cannot be uninformed, biased, prejudiced, or just plain wrong. you're saying that it's okay to have an opinion no matter what, never mind the fact that the statement "Most PS360 games are dark, violent and have realistic blood in them" is a massive generalisation that attempts to paint 'PS360' in a negative light, and i attempted to highlight this by employing the opposing argument.

    No, the "opinion card" is valid. Because everyoneís opinion is valid, no matter how misinformed. Their arguments, however, can be weak, or proven to be wrong, and showing why their argument is wrong can change their opinion. There is a difference between an argument and an opinion: one can be challenged and proved to be wrong, the other canít.

    opinions are very cool things, it's nice to have them. they don't really have any place in a debate, however, because debates are conducted through logical reasoning and evidence* - in a debate, i wouldn't support my view that wind waker is a fantastic game by saying 'wind waker is a fantastic game because that is my opinion', i would say 'wind waker is a fantastic game because ', and this is what is meant by the 'opinion card', using your opinion to support your argument.

    *(i'm aware of the hypocrisy and irony of this point given how much i resorted to ad hominem earlier)

  90. DiddyKong_Jr Tuesday 26th Feb 2013 at 16:58

    I'd rep it.

  91. Idge Tuesday 26th Feb 2013 at 17:48

    I play games because they're fun. I then sometimes talk about these games on the internet. What I don't do is argue on the internet. Life's too short. In fact, I'm going for a walk.

  92. widdlersbrew Tuesday 26th Feb 2013 at 18:03

    Because Nintendo games are an escape from the dark, miserable stories of my chosen gaming allegiance, PC Gaming. Also, Nintendo games, and in fact ONM helped me escape the terrible trap this is awful casual games, tie-ins etc. So I owe Nintendo and ONM that much.

  93. OrangeRakoon Tuesday 26th Feb 2013 at 18:47

    Before I say anything else, I'd like to apologise to Chris if he believed anything I posted was a personal attack. It wasn't, and wasn't meant as one - it was meant as a criticism of the article, which I find to be a poor article for a number of reasons, which I have now outlined more specifically below.

    I think a point that needs to be made is that if you write an article, people will respond to that article, and their impression of your views will be formed from that article. You may have lots of knowledge about games on other consoles, but if your article doesn't ever make that clear (in fact this one does the opposite), you can hardly blame people for inferring you don't.

    I'm the first to admit that I don't have a hugely wide breadth of gaming experience outside of Nintendo. In fact, aside from a few PC games, I have very little experience of games not on Nintendo consoles.

    You immediately establish that you have little experience outside of Nintendo. This is a perfectly fine thing, of course, but establishing this at the start would suggest that you can't then go on to make any comparison's between Nintendo and other companies/consoles, as you do not have the breadth of knowledge required to make an informed and balanced opinion.

    The second reason is more significant. You see, there was nothing stopping me from picking up a PSP, or a PS3 or Xbox 360 even after I'd bought my Wii. The crucial thing for me was the style of games that are available on each console.

    You state that the crucial thing deciding your choice of console is the style of games available. Also to note, as it was an argument made earlier in the thread, was that the choice of console/only playing Nintendo was tied to the fact that you could only afford one console. This may well be true, but it is not stated in this article. In fact, you state that there was nothing stopping you from getting another console, and that the pivotal, deciding factor, is what games are available on the console. So when people are replying to this article, this is the context they are replying in.

    I was discussing this with one of my good friends a few weeks ago, who challenged me on whether I'd consider buying the PS4 or the new Xbox when they come out. That question led to a discussion about what we're really looking for from games.

    To me, games with huge amounts of realistic violence or bloody scenarios simply aren't fun.

    The way which you set this up quite heavily implies that the PS4 and XBox are only full of games with realistic violence or bloody scenarios. This is completely false, and while you didn't explicitly state that, it's very hard to read this part of the article in any other way.

    I'm sure these sorts of games are available on other consoles but most of the biggest games on other platforms (or, at least, the ones that generate the most headlines and magazine front covers) involve men with guns.

    The throwaway line that these sorts of games are available on other consoles is the only concession you give to the other consoles, and it does suggest a lack of research or knowledge of the other consoles. You say 'I'm sure', which suggests that you don't know, but only assume that there are some. The thing is that your argument and the point you are making throughout this whole section is based around a comparison between the types of games available on Nintendo consoles and on other consoles. If you don't know enough about these other consoles, then you shouldn't be making a comparison.

    I was acutely aware of this during the PS4 launch event this week. I was watching, and instead of finding myself excited, or even curious, about the new console, I found myself getting intensely bored.

    It felt like they were showing one first-person shooter after another, with very little difference in the core gameplay and game style.

    This is one of the worst parts, as it is just false. They didn't actually show that many games, but of the ones they did, only 2 were First Person Shooters. Other games they showed were Knack, an action platforming game, DriveClub, a driving/racing game, Infamous, an action game, The Witness, a puzzle game, and Watch Dogs, which is a third-person shooter/adventure (which is multi-platform and will be on WiiU). The rest that was shown were all tech-demos. Considering the low number of actual games shown/revealed, the range in genres shown was quite a large one, with quite a large difference in core gameplay and game style. To say that wasn't shown is wrong. You are perfectly entitled to say that it didn't interest you, but it is not fine to make false statements in order to support your point.

    To me, that's what makes Nintendo different: while those games can and have been made on Nintendo consoles, the Wii and DS are home to a great deal of really original, fantasy, and fun content. The sort of games that put a smile on your face.

    Stating that what makes Nintendo different is that they have original, fantasy and fun content, is to imply that other consoles do not have content that fulfills this. It is especially implied coming as it does in your article after the paragraphs implying all the games on other consoles are violent shooters and games of that ilk.

  94. rukaio101 Tuesday 26th Feb 2013 at 19:34

    I'd state my views on the whole Nintendo/PS360 argument, but people like Kess, Slazo and Orange Rakoon have already done that much better than I could. Instead, I'm gonna point out why 'It's my opinion' really doesn't work as a defence.

    If I was to say that 'All Black people are evil', would you think that my opinion is valid simply because 'it's my opinion'? No. Obviously not, because it's racist and just plain wrong. My logic when it comes to opinions is that if you want people to take your opinions seriously, you have to back them up with solid reasoning. If you don't, then we have no reason to take your opinions seriously. And, of course, if your reasoning for that opinion is stupid and/or wrong, then people are perfectly within their rights to point out the problems there. As plenty of people are doing here. Don't start whining about people 'not respecting your opinion' simply because there are huge holes in your reasoning that people are pointing out. Oh, and anyone saying that 'we're just talking about games consoles, there's no reason to bring racism into it' is an idiot who has no real argument against the point and is trying to disguise that fact.

  95. nintendoftwman Tuesday 26th Feb 2013 at 19:39

    I'm a nintnedo fan cause of Zelda, Pokemon, Mario, Metroid,Pikmin and pretty much everything you can't get on the other consoles.

  96. Nintendo4Ever Tuesday 26th Feb 2013 at 20:45

    I'd just like to say that the question of this topic is 'why are you a Nintendo fan?' If it was 'why do you play/ like video games?' I would understand why people are getting annoyed at the exemption of PlayStation and XBox from this article.

    'Why am I a Nintendo fan?' Sorry I can't answer this question because I like PlayStation too and it would be ignorant to answer without taking PlayStation into account... What?

    I've read the article and people have stated the issues they've had with it but the question that I saw that made me read this in the first place is self explanatory, why do I like Nintendo, not PlayStation, not XBox, just Nintendo.

    Granted I brought up my PS3 in my first post but I basically said that PS has good exclusives that aren't FPS's which is the reason why I like Nintendo, the announcements are what tip Nintendo over the edge for me as my favourite game company.

    Sorry if I sounded off hand during any of this but this is my take on the debate that's erupted on this forum, if anyone wants to reply then by all means please do.

  97. rukaio101 Tuesday 26th Feb 2013 at 21:44

    I'd just like to say that the question of this topic is 'why are you a Nintendo fan?' If it was 'why do you play/ like video games?' I would understand why people are getting annoyed at the exemption of PlayStation and XBox from this article.

    'Why am I a Nintendo fan?' Sorry I can't answer this question because I like PlayStation too and it would be ignorant to answer without taking PlayStation into account... What?

    I've read the article and people have stated the issues they've had with it but the question that I saw that made me read this in the first place is self explanatory, why do I like Nintendo, not PlayStation, not XBox, just Nintendo.

    Granted I brought up my PS3 in my first post but I basically said that PS has good exclusives that aren't FPS's which is the reason why I like Nintendo, the announcements are what tip Nintendo over the edge for me as my favourite game company.

    Sorry if I sounded off hand during any of this but this is my take on the debate that's erupted on this forum, if anyone wants to reply then by all means please do.


    Except that's blatantly not what we're protesting here. Our problem is with the people (including the article writer) who claim that they're Nintendo fans because they believe that PS360 games are 'dull, violent shooters'. We're pointing out a) that they're wrong and b) being a Nintendo fan doesn't mean you can't also be a fan of other consoles and doesn't mean you have to try and pointlessly criticism them.

  98. OrangeRakoon Tuesday 26th Feb 2013 at 22:33

    I'd just like to say that the question of this topic is 'why are you a Nintendo fan?' If it was 'why do you play/ like video games?' I would understand why people are getting annoyed at the exemption of PlayStation and XBox from this article.

    If anything, it's the complete opposite. It's the inclusion of Playstation and Xbox in the article (and comments) which misrepresents them that people are protesting. If it had all just been reasons why Nintendo and Nintendo games are good for why people are Nintendo fans, that would be all fine and dandy.

  99. liveswired Tuesday 26th Feb 2013 at 22:39

    You have to ask then, if the argument supporting the opinion is wrong, then what is the opinion? By definition, a valid opinion would refer to an opinion that supports the intended claim- so does an opinion that is not properly formed by their own reasoning create an invalid opinion?


    Jeez, it's like dealing with the Riddler.

    Speaking of the Riddler, it's good to see Lego Batman 2 getting the green light on Wii U!

  100. liveswired Tuesday 26th Feb 2013 at 22:55

    VaatiKaiba - I wouldn't take it to heart.

    Articles need to be watertight - an article like this would be fine in; say; the letters pages of a Nintendo magazine with the editor responding from a methodical point of view but when posted on a widely recognised website on the world wide web it can garner quite a response.

    I think you should take pride in the fact that your blog has attracted so many responses, which has undoubtedly increased the number of hits and will help with the advertising revenue push for the ONM team.

  101. K-tet Wednesday 27th Feb 2013 at 00:25

    Getting back to the main topic in this thread, you can only experience Nintendo games on Nintendo hardware. This wasn't exactly the case back in the day, although... arguably all of those went horribly wrong.

    The bottom line is irrespective of how broad the varieties of gaming are, you won't find a Nintendo game on other hardware nowadays, so if that's reason enough to be a Nintendo fan, then that is all you need. Similar experiences offered by other companies are just similar experiences, but not the Nintendo experience. Emulation doesn't count either. As for those arcade games (like Mario Kart GP, or even F-Zero AX), because Nintendo took part in collaborating those titles, you naturally still get that Nintendo experience.

    Oh and the over-prevalence of dudebro games on the other systems is indeed not true. However, they do seem to be advertised more often than other games. Make of that what you will.

  102. tomonm Thursday 28th Feb 2013 at 10:09

    Proclaiming alleigance to a company isn't close-minded and moronic if you can't afford to buy more than one console. If you can afford to buy a 360, PS3, Wii U, 3DS and Vita, you're a lucky guy as you'll be able to enjoy all the exclusive games on every format. However, if you don't have a spare £1,000 to spend on consoles (more for games to play on them all) you have to make a choice. Chris chose Nintendo.


    Well, actually yes it is. You're wrong.

    You don't need to just "pick one company and stick with it forever"! What a silly opinion. Just because you bought the N64 doesn't mean you can't check out the PS2 in gen 6 and Xbox 360 in gen 7. You're basically arguing that if you don't have the money it's better to just pick one company and continue buying that company's consoles each generation (which yes, is close-minded and idiotic, no matter what you say) instead of, you know, branching out and doing research on upcoming/released games on each console and then choosing that one.

    You wouldn't be close-minded and idiotic even if you only bought Nintendo consoles if each generation you checked what was going to be released for each console and what features each console offered and then came to an informed decision about which console to buy and it happened to be Nintendo each time, that's fine. But if you just "PICKED NINTENDO FROM MY FIRST CONSOLE" and then heard WHOA A NEW NINTENDO CONSOLE IS COMING OUT, IM TOTALLY BUYING THAT! and ignored all the other competitors simply because "I CHOSE NINTENDO OK", yes, that is completely idiotic and close-minded and people like that should be called out as such. And that's basically the mindset you're defending in that argument, which is ridiculous

    But what do you know, you thought GROUDON LOOKS GREAT IN HD on that Pokemon Rumble Wii U game, so...

    (also, @VaatiKaiba as someone who has a sister who is autistic I and her am not offended in the slightest by Masa's comment, since autistic has come to mean more than the medical diagnosis and is now slang on the internet. That's okay, language and usage of language evolves)

    My original point was actually to say that it's unfair to call someone moronic who can't afford to buy all the consoles for making a decision based on past preferences. So you have little money, you bought an N64 rather than a PlayStation (I had both myself!) because you wanted to play brilliant games such as Mario 64 and Ocarina Of Time. You thought that was good so you bought GameCube and played great games such as Wind Waker, Metroid Prime and Pikmin. You trust this company because you've had great experiences with their consoles so you buy a Wii and play the amazing Mario Galaxy games and Skyward Sword.

    Consoles cost a lot of money and if you've only ever had Nintendo consoles and enjoyed playing games on them why not stick with them as you know you're going to have great experiences. Plus if you want to play Mario, Pokemon and Zelda games more than any other, there's only one company that can provide that. So if you can only buy one console and you like those games, what's moronic about choosing Nintendo?Okay, it might be a bit close-minded but that doesn't make you a moron.

    It's called being a fan and that is what this article is about. Why you chose to be a Nintendo fan. There's nothing idiotic about being a fan. People are fans of bands, directors and football teams and stick by them. Why should it not be different for another form of entertainment - games. I loved Oasis and bought everything by them, even when they had bad moments (Standing On The Shoulder Of Giants was awful musically and gramatically), I'm a fan of Norwich City and stood up at Brentford in League One watching them lose 2-1 even though it was dreadful. Not saying that you can compare NCFC's descent into League One with Nintendo but y'know people stick with their favourites.

    You may view that as idiotic and moronic. That's fine but life would be a bit dull and soulless without fans. Go to a Nintendo launch event to see what I mean - they're full of life as fans dress up as Mario and get excited about new consoles and games.

    As for your final comment, your sister may be autistic and that term may be used as slang on the internet but that doesn't make it okay. Just because you're desensitized to it doesn't mean that everyone will be. Spastic used to be used in the playground in my day and that's not on either. I don't think the internet can be used as a barometer of good taste.

    Also standing by that comment Masamune isn't on either. You'd be a bigger man if you apologised for that part of your post.

    Not saying that there's anything wrong with debates or opinions but there are ways of going about it.

  103. tomonm Thursday 28th Feb 2013 at 10:33

    Oh and the over-prevalence of dudebro games on the other systems is indeed not true. However, they do seem to be advertised more often than other games. Make of that what you will.

    Exactly, that was the point I was making earlier. For someone who has always owned Nintendo consoles or the casual gaming fan, the perception could be that Xbox 360 and PS3 are just for people who want shooting games - or dudebro games as you brilliantly call them - as that's what's popular and therefore what its advertised on telly.

    Look at the number ones this year. Nino Kuni and FIFA aside, it's been Call Of Duty: Black Ops 2, Devil May Cry, Crysis and Aliens Colonial Marines. All 16-18 rated games.

  104. LFF Thursday 28th Feb 2013 at 19:40

    Oh and the over-prevalence of dudebro games on the other systems is indeed not true. However, they do seem to be advertised more often than other games. Make of that what you will.

    Exactly, that was the point I was making earlier. For someone who has always owned Nintendo consoles or the casual gaming fan, the perception could be that Xbox 360 and PS3 are just for people who want shooting games - or dudebro games as you brilliantly call them - as that's what's popular and therefore what its advertised on telly.

    Look at the number ones this year. Nino Kuni and FIFA aside, it's been Call Of Duty: Black Ops 2, Devil May Cry, Crysis and Aliens Colonial Marines. All 16-18 rated games.


    Whilst your point is valid to an extent, and the popular games on console so far this year have indeed tended to be of the "dudebro" genre, it should still be remembered that what is popular is only a segment of what a console can offer.

    To take the Wii as an example, the most popular games on the system were on the most part more "casual" affairs - for want of a better term; among the best selling Wii titles were games like Wii fit, Just Dance or the slew of party games. Now I'm not saying these games are either good or bad, but I'm sure that as a Nintendo gamer you would most probably dislike the assumption that the Wii has "proper" or "hardcore" games when only the most popular games are considered.


    I also think that it should be considered that we are talking about a relatively small window of time regarding what games charting highly, especially when it is considered that this time of the year (to my limited knowledge) is not when one can expect a flood of games.

    Finally, everyone knows Blur were better than Oasis =P.

  105. TrunStrat Thursday 28th Feb 2013 at 20:19

    For me, apart from the diverse range of story's its the quality you get with Nintendo games. I cant remember ever seeing things like screen tearing or glitches.

  106. tomonm Thursday 28th Feb 2013 at 20:51

    Possibly but Blur never made an album as good as Definitely Maybe...

    It's all about perception on both sides. There are probably loads of Xbox fans who view Wii as a kiddy machine or a console only for families thanks to the popular games. I'm not saying the perception is right - PS3 and Xbox 360 have a lot more to offer than that.

  107. OrangeRakoon Thursday 28th Feb 2013 at 22:58

    Finally, everyone knows Blur were better than Oasis =P.

    +rep

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