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Mind-blowing Mario, Zelda and Pokemon fan theories

Have some fans put a bit too much thought into their favourite games?!

Is Mario a plumber or an actor?

A popular theory is that the events of Super Mario Bros 3 were actually nothing more than a stage show. The title sequence of the game shows curtains opening on what appears to be a stage, and many of the platforms and background objects in some of the levels appear to be screwed on to some sort of backdrop, or suspended by ropes from the ceiling. Each level finishes with Mario going off into the darkness, almost as if he's walking off stage.

It's certainly an interesting theory and it got many people to question just how much of the Mario series actually 'happens', leading to the theory that, in fact, the Mario series is nothing more than a collection of TV or theatre shows within a game.

Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Yoshi, even Toad, are just actors. It actually makes more sense than you may give it credit for, because let us not forget that levels are often called 'episodes' - in Super Mario 64 and Mario Sunshine, for example.

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The western version of Super Mario Bros 2 is like one of those really predictable films like Click, where some crazy stuff happens to Adam Sandler but it's all okay by the end because it was just a dream (or was it? Gasp!).

Mario Party is an elaborate celebrity game or reality TV show, sort of like I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here, only set in the Mushroom Kingdom and with a much-welcome lack of Kerry Katona.

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Super Mario Sunshine is one of those special episodes where the characters get up to shenanigans abroad, like the Friends episode where they all go to Barbados, or that one time Roy Cropper from Corrie goes to Romania for some reason.

The Mario Bros, then. Plumbers? Heroes? Or the greatest actors who ever lived?

That's all from me. What are your favourite fan theories? Do you have any of your own?

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  1. Slinkington Tuesday 2nd Jul 2013 at 12:15

    I thought it was confirmed that there was no Zelda timeline. They obviously hadn't thought about it from the beginning and part way through they've tried to salvage together a timeline just to satisfy the fans.

    Don't say Hyrule Historia!

  2. shy guy 64 Tuesday 2nd Jul 2013 at 12:19

    stupid, stupid and stupid

  3. IRNBRU64 Tuesday 2nd Jul 2013 at 12:40

    I'm loving all these "Fan theories" and "unknown Facts" threads! Keep 'em coming!

  4. reeesy Tuesday 2nd Jul 2013 at 12:46

    I always thought the Zelda Timeline was over thought by the fans. I don't think Nintendo really started thinking about an official timeline until after Ocarina of Time when the series really took off. After all, wasn't OoT basically a 3D version of LTTP with a more developed story? The later games clearly follow some sort of loose timeline, but i think the games that came before OoT have been crowbarred in to please the people who obsess over it.

  5. Buskalilly Tuesday 2nd Jul 2013 at 13:21

    When LttP came out it said on the box something about this being the ancestors of the Link and Zelda in the first two games. Like any work of fiction, some parts were made up or changed along the way but to say there wasn't a story earlier on is nonsense.

  6. MartinIsAwesome Tuesday 2nd Jul 2013 at 13:35

    When LttP came out it said on the box something about this being the ancestors of the Link and Zelda in the first two games. Like any work of fiction, some parts were made up or changed along the way but to say there wasn't a story earlier on is nonsense.


    This. Plus if there is no timeline, and each game is just a retelling of different versions of the same legend, then who the hell is telling the version where Link's on an Island in the dream of a flying whale, and how do I book him into rehab?

    But I do like the one that suggests that you are the bad guy in Pokemon. That's pretty inventive. I wonder is there are other game "heroes" that can be askewed like that.

  7. NP Chilla Tuesday 2nd Jul 2013 at 14:39

    I've heard a slightly different theory from the Mario one: Peach HIRES Bowser to kidnap her so that Mario can save her. Bowser is an actor and the kidnapping game keeps the relationship between the pair exciting.

    That way Peach feels special and wanted and excitement is brought to her life of luxury; Mario gets to play the hero and reaffirm himself.

    Taking this theory as read, Bowser is probably the BEST relationship fixer in the universe! :D

  8. CyberGW Tuesday 2nd Jul 2013 at 14:53

    That was a dead interesting read. Glad you posted that. Loved the Zelda theory, that just has a great feel to it.

  9. PatchworkLink Tuesday 2nd Jul 2013 at 15:15

    I always thought that because the latitude bros were cameramen in super mario 64, but you only see one of them, you are clearly looking through the eyes of the other. Therefore you are actually playing as one of the Latiku bros, but you are controlling Mario.

  10. smash-brother Tuesday 2nd Jul 2013 at 17:23

    this isn't so much of a theorie but more of a untold fact but, in kid icarus uprising, the "forces of nature" are unofficaly comfurmed to have simuler "resurrection" system to paletena (phopesera makes a cameo towards the start of chapter 20 with arlon is being mensoned in the present tense latter in the level)

    altionally, their is everdance that hades and thanatos have a secret friendship (out of all the infernal nastyness he could of choosen to lead his army in chapter 14, he uses the time, effort and resorces to reserect thanatos, this also explans why he is so high ranking at "third in command" after madusre)

    the last one makes sense, so super mario 3d land is a specail 3d episode, the sport games are "sport relef" style fund-raisers, the rpg's are oddball fan fictions, nsmb is an aniversary show, mario kart is (errr) a tie-in game?, and galaxy is a block-buster movie, mario vs/and donky kong are advertisments for theme parks, merchandice ect.

    p.s. this one's weired but, viridi is mother brain's (from metriod) alter ego (she is very pashionate that metriod and kid icarus are seperate universes to keep pit and co. off her back, she never appears in person, she is very quick to help pit out- so she can trick him to steal the lightning chariet for her personal needs- persumaly dark pit manergeres to steal it off her , she wants to "reset" the earth to use as breeding ground for her minions- she only fights hades and the arurm as they are blocking her goal, her "humans are unworthy to live" opinion is only to presade the Gods do go on a killing spree to clear space)

  11. Waldy565 Tuesday 2nd Jul 2013 at 17:35

    I've heard a slightly different theory from the Mario one: Peach HIRES Bowser to kidnap her so that Mario can save her. Bowser is an actor and the kidnapping game keeps the relationship between the pair exciting.

    That way Peach feels special and wanted and excitement is brought to her life of luxury; Mario gets to play the hero and reaffirm himself.

    Taking this theory as read, Bowser is probably the BEST relationship fixer in the universe! :D

    This is genius! I've only really read into the Pokemon theories, and actually thought the Pokemon theory you posted was going to be the one where *SPOILERS* you killed Blue's Raticate. Other ones I remember off the top of my head are the two creepypastas (basically, the "ghost stories" of the gaming world) - one where lots of Japanese children comitted suicide or had severe disorders due to the Lavender Town theme (it IS creepy, at least, I think so) and a haunted copy of Gold, the Ash's Coma theory (Ash stays 10 as he is just living up to his father, and the lightning shock in the first epi is why he's in a coma) and the aforementioned Blue's Raticate. Enjoyed the Mario theory, and I know people will always argue, but there IS an official Zelda timeline now folks! Can we leave it be? All though, I do enjoy fans speculation on how it could be altered and "improved" in some theories :D

  12. Time-Bomb Tuesday 2nd Jul 2013 at 18:34

    These are all pretty cool! Although to be honest I've always considered the Zelda one to be true. Even if for whatever reason it can't technically be true, it's always been my sorta default way of thinking when i see a new Zelda game.

  13. Bootler Tuesday 2nd Jul 2013 at 18:48

    I thought it was confirmed that there was no Zelda timeline. They obviously hadn't thought about it from the beginning and part way through they've tried to salvage together a timeline just to satisfy the fans.

    Don't say Hyrule Historia!


    There's been a timeline since A Link to the Past. LttP established its Link as an ancestor to the original Link from the two NES games. Back on the NES it seems Nintendo were just planning direct sequels, but when they made A Link to the PAst they started on the timeline.

    Also, Hyrule Historia.

  14. Kirby8 Tuesday 2nd Jul 2013 at 19:32

    I've heard of all of these. Interesting reads none the less. It's always interesting to see what fans come up with. There's a hell of a lot out there. The weirdest one I have ever read is one that was mentioned earlier on the Pokémon Anime. Everyone has probably heard of it, where they say the lightning shock put Ash in a coma. I actually read the full length essay that this guy wrote and it's actually insane. He went into so much detail and so much babble to justify this story he has created when it's clearly not true.

  15. Super_Sonic96 Tuesday 2nd Jul 2013 at 20:15

    Really enjoyed reading this article. In a way I prefer the Zelda no timeline/retold legend theory over the 'official' 3-way timeline split provided by Nintendo. I feel it better fits the whole ethereal, storybook-esque adventure that LoZ games always provide. (And as mentioned it fits the series title nicely)

  16. moonbound Tuesday 2nd Jul 2013 at 20:22

    Well that one about Blue may of just ruined my childhood.....

  17. Cyst Tuesday 2nd Jul 2013 at 23:28

    I know a few Pokémon ones (not saying I believe them but they are fun to think about).

    Another part of the one here, that someone already touched on, is that you killed Gary's raticate. The last time you see it is on the SS Anne, and the next time you see him is in the Pokémon Tower graveyard. The idea is that he couldn't find a Pokémon Centre after the battle on the ship and so it died, and he was laying it to rest when you find him in Lavender Town.

    In HeartGold and SoulSilver, the special Celebi event lets you go back in time to battle Giovanni in Tohjo Falls while Team Rocket are calling out to him on the air. When you beat him he leaves, and you hear a splash. He was so ashamed at being beaten by a child as he was about to make his return that he killed himself by jumping off the cliff and into the water below.

    Mew and Ditto both weigh the same, have the same colours shiny or not. They both learn the almost-unique move Transform. You find them both in the same place - Cinnabar Mansion (where Mew was cloned) and Cerulean Cave (where Mewtwo hides). Ditto is a failed attempt at cloning Mew that escaped into the wild and reproduced.

  18. BlackAce_2121 Wednesday 3rd Jul 2013 at 00:44

    My fan theory is for the new Super Smash Bros that's coming out next year, and it is about the "customization" feature that is shrouded in mystery. My theory goes like this owning particular games will allow u to customize your character using thing from that game for example owning Kid Icarus uprising (KIU) will allow u to take things like your weapons and put them on Pit in SMB allowing u to make any character u have in SMB stronger if u have one of there past games.

  19. Bootler Wednesday 3rd Jul 2013 at 05:15

    My fan theory is for the new Super Smash Bros that's coming out next year, and it is about the "customization" feature that is shrouded in mystery. My theory goes like this owning particular games will allow u to customize your character using thing from that game for example owning Kid Icarus uprising (KIU) will allow u to take things like your weapons and put them on Pit in SMB allowing u to make any character u have in SMB stronger if u have one of there past games.


    That's actually a reasonable theory. Good job. So many people are getting so out of hand with things like "You can customize your own characters no way?!!?!?!11"

    Your theory for Smash Bros. makes sense. I guess we'll have to wait and see how accurate your theory is.

  20. Slinkington Wednesday 3rd Jul 2013 at 11:48

    There's been a timeline since A Link to the Past. LttP established its Link as an ancestor to the original Link from the two NES games. Back on the NES it seems Nintendo were just planning direct sequels, but when they made A Link to the PAst they started on the timeline.

    Also, Hyrule Historia.

    Nintendo: Oh damn, where can we put these games? I know! This is what happens if Link randomly fails in Ocarina of Time! Yeah!

    What if he failed in Wind waker? Or Link to the Past? Or any other in the series? Why can he only possibly mess up in Ocarina of Time? They obviously only scraped together the timeline to please fans.

  21. MartinIsAwesome Wednesday 3rd Jul 2013 at 13:22

    Nintendo: Oh damn, where can we put these games? I know! This is what happens if Link randomly fails in Ocarina of Time! Yeah!

    What if he failed in Wind waker? Or Link to the Past? Or any other in the series? Why can he only possibly mess up in Ocarina of Time? They obviously only scraped together the timeline to please fans.


    To be fair, no one said that that's the only time he possibly fails. There's nothing stopping Nintendo making a game set in a world after the failure of another Link. For all we know, A Link Between Worlds might be the answer to the question "What If Link fails in ALTTP?" Unlikely based on what we know, but not unthinkable.

  22. reeesy Wednesday 3rd Jul 2013 at 15:07

    Nintendo: Oh damn, where can we put these games? I know! This is what happens if Link randomly fails in Ocarina of Time! Yeah!

    What if he failed in Wind waker? Or Link to the Past? Or any other in the series? Why can he only possibly mess up in Ocarina of Time? They obviously only scraped together the timeline to please fans.


    To be fair, no one said that that's the only time he possibly fails. There's nothing stopping Nintendo making a game set in a world after the failure of another Link. For all we know, A Link Between Worlds might be the answer to the question "What If Link fails in ALTTP?" Unlikely based on what we know, but not unthinkable.

    Mmmh, I think this is going round in circles a bit with people arguing different points. I think you're both right here. Yes, there's nothing stopping Nintendo taking the 'failed Link' option again with any of the other games. After all its logical and it does open up the timeline to interesting new directions.

    I think all he's saying is that Nintendo had to go back and invent the 'failed' scenario to get LTTP into the now more established timeline created by the more recent games. I can't imagine when they started development on OoT, they were thinking about the possibility of Link failing the adventure. That suggests they had to go back and come up with a theory. I wouldn't say the failed Link scenario was ideal, but It's probably the only solution that made sense.

    Post OoT, it's clear they paid a little more attention to the timeline when starting work on new titles. But I doubt the whole timeline thing was very high on the agenda back in the snes days.

    They could do something similar with LTTP2. Didn't Nintendo say we should expect a big shock at the start? Could be interesting if this Link is the failed Link from LTTP, somehow halfway between life and death. The title A Link Between Worlds would make sense...

  23. Bootler Wednesday 3rd Jul 2013 at 18:23

    There's been a timeline since A Link to the Past. LttP established its Link as an ancestor to the original Link from the two NES games. Back on the NES it seems Nintendo were just planning direct sequels, but when they made A Link to the PAst they started on the timeline.

    Also, Hyrule Historia.

    Nintendo: Oh damn, where can we put these games? I know! This is what happens if Link randomly fails in Ocarina of Time! Yeah!

    What if he failed in Wind waker? Or Link to the Past? Or any other in the series? Why can he only possibly mess up in Ocarina of Time? They obviously only scraped together the timeline to please fans.


    He could potentially fail in all of those. But story-wise, the only one where Link does fail at one point or another is Ocarina. It's not that hard to grasp. He could fail in the other games, but only that one instance is any kind of canonical. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

  24. PeterPan Thursday 4th Jul 2013 at 16:19

    Animal Crossing: Welcome to Camp. Google it. It's pretty disturbing.

    Zelda: That isn't so much a theory as a known fact. Everything in Zelda is a retelling of the same story, even the Oracle games which (when united) sees Link saving Zelda. Whether these retellings are history repeating itself or someone just running out of stories to tell and saying the same thing over and over again can be debated but, at the end of the day, they are repeats of one another.

    Pokémon: Lamest theory, like ever?

    Mario: Makes sense, and it would explain why Bowser becomes so buddy-buddy in things like Mario Kart. In fact, the old 2D games can be seen as old, "silent era" films/performances whilst the 3D games (with Martinet) can be seen like modern day talkies. Going by Galaxy, I say they've reached the Sci-Fi golden age of Star Wars and Star Trek. However, none of this explains one thing: why doesn't Mario age? He's been looking the exact same for more than twenty-five years. Is he ageless? If so, is Baby Mario not Mario at all but some baby actor? (Hence why Baby Mario and normal Mario both appear in Mario Kart)

  25. georgeyb91 Tuesday 17th Sep 2013 at 04:04

    The idea that 'The Legend of Zelda' series is just that, a legend, makes so much more sense than the idea of there being a specific timeline. If you pick it apart, even with the 'three-way timeline split' idea, it just doesn't make sense to assume that history would more-or-less repeat itself over and over and over again with only minor variations each time.

    On the other hand, legends do, and have, get distorted across time and cultures. Ancient Maori legends here in New Zealand have become re-appropriated by modern Maori culture to make them more relevant to the modern age, but the basic details of the story (boy throws lasso around sun to slow it down and bring more hours to the day, for example) remain the same. I think the fact that Nintendo published an 'official chronology' for the series was a bad move as they've had to make many tenuous connections between different games in the series to make them make sense; as a result, the believability of the series as a whole has suffered, in my opinion.

  26. objection215 Tuesday 17th Sep 2013 at 19:16

    This isn't your theory. Miyamoto himself said this himself in the past.


    http://www.polygon.com/gaming/2012/9/25 ... s-kids-are

    Nice try though, attempting to pass off objective fact as a brilliant idea you came up with.

  27. MartinIsAwesome Tuesday 17th Sep 2013 at 23:05

    This isn't your theory. Miyamoto himself said this himself in the past.


    http://www.polygon.com/gaming/2012/9/25 ... s-kids-are

    Nice try though, attempting to pass off objective fact as a brilliant idea you came up with.

    Except that he's not passing it off as his own thoughts, is he. The introduction clearly says:

    People love to speculate and there are literally hundreds of excellent fan theories floating around out there devoted to some of your favourite Nintendo games, but I've picked out three that I thought were the most fascinating.


    He's just highlighting three different fan-theories.

    Way to waste your first post.

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